What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by rmhsilva » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 5:30 PM UTC

What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?
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Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by mark_l_watson » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:20 PM UTC

I haven’t tried Glamorous for years with Pharo Smalltalk.

This is a great article, and convinced me to put refreshing Pharo Smalltalk and installing Glamorous on my Mac.

Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by stonogo » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:32 PM UTC

Having looked at the screenshots and read the text, I still have no idea what Glamorous Toolkit v1.0 is. If I had to guess, I'd say it's another attempt at 'notebook' style computing interfaces, but I suppose there's a reason the author is too coy to say that, so I am forced to conclude that I just don't know what it is, and the creator is unable or unwilling to tell me.

Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by sebastianconcpt » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:33 PM UTC

And this Rust object inspecting live is also rather interesting https://lepiter.io/feenk/identifying-an-editor-bug-by-inspec...

Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by mattlondon » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:35 PM UTC

stonogo wrote: post #3

Having looked at the screenshots and read the text, I still have no idea what Glamorous Toolkit v1.0 is. If I had to guess, I'd say it's another attempt at 'notebook' style computing interfaces, but I suppose there's a reason the author is too coy to say that, so I am forced to conclude that I just don't know what it is, and the creator is unable or unwilling to tell me.

Same here. The style of writing is also quite annoying to follow as well, which doesn't help.

Looks to me like basically a Jupyter notebook, but going horizontal instead of vertical.

I don't need that for reading API docs, thanks.

Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by jauntywundrkind » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:36 PM UTC

I had a fun time exploring both Glamorous Toolkit & BlueSky's @proto with https://github.com/feenkcom/gt4atproto . Neat experience. Docs & code meld nicely. Very handsome on experience.

Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by simonw » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:39 PM UTC

stonogo wrote: post #3

Having looked at the screenshots and read the text, I still have no idea what Glamorous Toolkit v1.0 is. If I had to guess, I'd say it's another attempt at 'notebook' style computing interfaces, but I suppose there's a reason the author is too coy to say that, so I am forced to conclude that I just don't know what it is, and the creator is unable or unwilling to tell me.

I think it's a Smalltalk IDE?

Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by FFP999 » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:39 PM UTC

mattlondon wrote: post #5

stonogo wrote: post #3

Having looked at the screenshots and read the text, I still have no idea what Glamorous Toolkit v1.0 is. If I had to guess, I'd say it's another attempt at 'notebook' style computing interfaces, but I suppose there's a reason the author is too coy to say that, so I am forced to conclude that I just don't know what it is, and the creator is unable or unwilling to tell me.

Same here. The style of writing is also quite annoying to follow as well, which doesn't help. Looks to me like basically a Jupyter notebook, but going horizontal instead of vertical. I don't need that for reading API docs, thanks.

Is it just me or does it come off as super condescending?

I feel that, if you can't explain to us concisely what the thing you've been working on for decades is about, that's a huge red flag. The most I can tell you after reading this page: it has something to do with software development, and my inclination to explore further is zero.

Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by lukego » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:40 PM UTC

stonogo wrote: post #3

Having looked at the screenshots and read the text, I still have no idea what Glamorous Toolkit v1.0 is. If I had to guess, I'd say it's another attempt at 'notebook' style computing interfaces, but I suppose there's a reason the author is too coy to say that, so I am forced to conclude that I just don't know what it is, and the creator is unable or unwilling to tell me.

It's well worth taking for a spin.

Re: What is Glamorous Toolkit v1.0?

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Post by simonw » Sun, Nov 05, 2023, 8:44 PM UTC

OK, having watched the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqogvp1dGpk (8 minutes, so 4 minutes if you 2x it) I understand why they have such a hard time answering the question "What is Glamorous Toolkit?"

It's effectively a combination of a Smalltalk IDE, a Jupyter/Observable-style notebook environment and a tool somewhat like R Studio.

It's a hard thing to categorize, because it's not exactly the same kind of thing as anything else.

Part of the problem is that the way you use Smalltalk is pretty different from other programming languages already, due to the thing where you work within an "image" as opposed to just editing files on disk.

I emphasize with the challenge: I have a similar problem with my https://datasette.io/ project.