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Students hated 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' Their teachers tried to dump it

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Re: Students hated 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' Their teachers tried to dump it

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I wonder how "Native Son" or "Invisible Man" would have been handled by the same cohort. Frankly, the "Acceptable" way to talk about race nowadays is already so far removed from what it was even in 2003, that it's easy to see why today's high schooler would be uncomfortable with literature from the 1960s.

And we live in a day and age where being uncomfortable is tantamount to personal violence in the eyes of many.

It really feels like the average person just isn't capable of processing works of art or literature with the historic context in mind. So as cultural norms continue to shift, I wonder where this leaves many works of literature which we've long considered "classics" or at the very least, important.

Re: Students hated 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' Their teachers tried to dump it

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What is more of an issue here, the possibly representative reactions of a few students and teachers, or the whole process by which school readings are chosen? As a high school student, I really hated A Separate Peace and Lord of the Flies. I wondered, with all the great literature written just in the past century, why were we forced to read such downers? Why couldn't they choose novels that made more students enjoy reading? If you would ask me what I'd recommend instead, off the top of my head, I'd suggest anything by John Steinbeck, for example.

Re: Students hated 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' Their teachers tried to dump it

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I wonder how "Native Son" or "Invisible Man" would have been handled by the same cohort. Frankly, the "Acceptable" way to talk about race nowadays is already so far removed from what it was even in 2003, that it's easy to see why today's high schooler would be uncomfortable with literature from the 1960s. And we live in a day and age where being uncomfortable is tantamount to personal violence in the eyes of many. It…

That culture shift has been rapid, and very broad, too.

In my final year of English class, in the 90's, I studied a play. I forget the title now, but a line in the play that also formed the title of my essay about it, would not be allowed in a school setting at all today.

Basically a young white boy is talking to their family slave and says he wants to build a kite. The slave says he would show him how, and the boy naively was shocked and said, "What does a n**r know about flying a kite?"

I was one of two white people in the class. Times were such, that short a time ago, that the class loved my essay, which was about how slavery was so normalized at the time of the play, that this child couldn't even imagine life any other way. He learned, through building and playing with this kite with the slave that Black people were actual people, deserving of the same respect his (white) family received, and that his off-hand remarks, which everyone took for granted, were really awful.

Today I would be cancelled for even writing the word, let alone reading it out loud in front of a classroom! Call it "naming and shaming," perhaps, because replacing it with any other word would have killed any power that play had about the topic of racism.

Re: Students hated 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' Their teachers tried to dump it

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I wonder how "Native Son" or "Invisible Man" would have been handled by the same cohort. Frankly, the "Acceptable" way to talk about race nowadays is already so far removed from what it was even in 2003, that it's easy to see why today's high schooler would be uncomfortable with literature from the 1960s. And we live in a day and age where being uncomfortable is tantamount to personal violence in the eyes of many. It…

Romeo & Juliet is unfilmable in context today.

Little did The Moral Majority know that it would take liberal progressives to implement their agenda.

Re: Students hated 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' Their teachers tried to dump it

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post #4

What is more of an issue here, the possibly representative reactions of a few students and teachers, or the whole process by which school readings are chosen? As a high school student, I really hated A Separate Peace and Lord of the Flies . I wondered, with all the great literature written just in the past century, why were we forced to read such downers? Why couldn't they choose novels that made more students enjoy…

> Steinbeck

Like East of Eden with its uplifting themes like abusive childhoods, survivor guilt leading to suicide and abusive narcissism?

But I jest, there are uplifting moments and themes of redemption and the good in humanity. I'm inclined to agree that it'd be a much better choice than Lord of the Flies.

Re: Students hated 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' Their teachers tried to dump it

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I wonder how "Native Son" or "Invisible Man" would have been handled by the same cohort. Frankly, the "Acceptable" way to talk about race nowadays is already so far removed from what it was even in 2003, that it's easy to see why today's high schooler would be uncomfortable with literature from the 1960s. And we live in a day and age where being uncomfortable is tantamount to personal violence in the eyes of many. It…

I think the world is separating into the “idiot” works that thinks To Kill a mockingbird shouldn’t be studied, the normies that don’t care, and people who want to strive for greatness and study great things.

There’s lots of people who this this is a stupid idea and the people proposing are stupid. It’s hard to tell if you can organize to districts that stay mildly sane.

Re: Students hated 'To Kill a Mockingbird.' Their teachers tried to dump it

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What is more of an issue here, the possibly representative reactions of a few students and teachers, or the whole process by which school readings are chosen? As a high school student, I really hated A Separate Peace and Lord of the Flies . I wondered, with all the great literature written just in the past century, why were we forced to read such downers? Why couldn't they choose novels that made more students enjoy…

The problem with lord of the flies is that it is fiction and does not necessarily represent the way people will actually behave in that situation. We have the example of an actual shipwrecked boys and it did not turn out like the book at all:

* https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-...

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