Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
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Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#2Not saying the oil sector is powerless by any means, and I guess maybe they're going for regulatory capture, but this is a non-starter from an economic reality perspective so I'm not too worried about it. The train is well out of the station for electric vehicles. I believe every car maker (save 1 that I know about) is fully committed to 100% electrified vehicles in the not-too-distant future. I feel like eventually even Toyota will give up their weird H2 push.
Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#3The electric car industry is spinning alternatives. Hydrogen is a much better alternative all around. You'll be able to convert existing cars much easier.
Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#4There's also a huge amount of idiotic anti-EV FUD and misinformation being pushed.
Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#5Anyone who has followed hydrogen as a fuel for a while sees pretty easily that its a solution in search of a problem. It really doesn't make sense to use renewables to make hydrogen fuel to then burn: batteries are better for storage of energy in most cases (I will grant that there are edge cases where a liquid/gas fuel is a better technical solution than batteries, but I think that options like ethanol are probably better than hydrogen for those use cases). My gut is that the majority of hydrogen proponents are oil and gas lobbyists or funded by them.
Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#6Not saying the oil sector is powerless by any means, and I guess maybe they're going for regulatory capture, but this is a non-starter from an economic reality perspective so I'm not too worried about it. The train is well out of the station for electric vehicles. I believe every car maker (save 1 that I know about) is fully committed to 100% electrified vehicles in the not-too-distant future. I feel like eventually…
All it takes is a new pump at existing gas stations and what becomes more compelling to the consumer flips overnight. Same cultural process of fueling up at the same place you've always fueled up in about the same amount of time as its always taken. It seems like there's a lot lot less inertia to get consumers over that hurdle than the EV hurdle, where charge times are long and convenient chargers not a guarantee in comparison to the fuel station network.
Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#7It's incredible that the oil lobby can so persistently and flagrantly spread disinformation to the extent that they have for decades. I suppose this is what happens when you have enough money to out-lobby everyone.
It's not only electric cars either, recently they've been propping up opposition to wind farms off of the new england coast by posing as environmentalists concerned about whales.
Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#8They've been doing it for twenty years, hydrogen allows maintaining a distribution network and *most of all* to keep using fossil fuels to generate it
Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#9The electric car industry is spinning alternatives. Hydrogen is a much better alternative all around. You'll be able to convert existing cars much easier.
unfortunately no one's going to be converting existing cars to anything other than scrap metal no matter which technology proves to be the most promising
Re: Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification
#10Anyone who has followed hydrogen as a fuel for a while sees pretty easily that its a solution in search of a problem. It really doesn't make sense to use renewables to make hydrogen fuel to then burn: batteries are better for storage of energy in most cases (I will grant that there are edge cases where a liquid/gas fuel is a better technical solution than batteries, but I think that options like ethanol are probably…
Are you referring to hydrogen as a mobility fuel specifically? I generally agree.
However, it is a critical large-scale industrial input, a replacement industrial input for several additional large industries, and an excellent large-scale stationary energy store.