Bare-metal Rust in Android

monocasa wrote: post #3

frankjr wrote: post #2

Is there similar effort from Apple?

I don't believe Apple has embraced Rust the same way Google has. Particularly their firmware is still very based on C.

Specifically a dialect called Firebloom (supposedly anyway)

https://saaramar.github.io/iBoot_firebloom/

Re: Bare-metal Rust in Android

#5

Post by ireallywantthat » Mon, Oct 09, 2023, 6:45 PM UTC

Ok, now enable us to let create Android Applications entirely in Rust (including the GUI). Let's get rid of Kotlin/Java monopoly in Android App development. Shall we?

Re: Bare-metal Rust in Android

#6

Post by wredue » Mon, Oct 09, 2023, 6:50 PM UTC

ireallywantthat wrote: post #5

Ok, now enable us to let create Android Applications entirely in Rust (including the GUI). Let's get rid of Kotlin/Java monopoly in Android App development. Shall we?

What would rust achieve aside from just enabling another, entirely distinct from the existing workflow, language?

Haven’t android apps been compiled to native code since like 2012? (I actually don’t know, I left android a while ago and stopped caring what they do)

Re: Bare-metal Rust in Android

#7

Post by theusus » Mon, Oct 09, 2023, 6:58 PM UTC

I found adoption of Rust being slow, but it has started to grow.

Re: Bare-metal Rust in Android

#8

Post by mrpippy » Mon, Oct 09, 2023, 7:04 PM UTC

dagmx wrote: post #4

monocasa wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe Apple has embraced Rust the same way Google has. Particularly their firmware is still very based on C.

Specifically a dialect called Firebloom (supposedly anyway) https://saaramar.github.io/iBoot_firebloom/

Possible related to the ‘-fbounds-safety’ feature they’ve proposed for Clang

https://discourse.llvm.org/t/rfc-enforcing-bounds-safety-in-...

Re: Bare-metal Rust in Android

#9

Post by candiddevmike » Mon, Oct 09, 2023, 7:04 PM UTC

frankjr wrote: post #2

Is there similar effort from Apple?

What benefit would Apple get from this? They want you all in on an ecosystem they control.

EDIT: Thought OP was talking about writing iOS apps using Rust.

Re: Bare-metal Rust in Android

#10

Post by steveklabnik » Mon, Oct 09, 2023, 7:06 PM UTC

candiddevmike wrote: post #9

frankjr wrote: post #2

Is there similar effort from Apple?

What benefit would Apple get from this? They want you all in on an ecosystem they control. EDIT: Thought OP was talking about writing iOS apps using Rust.

Apple does use Rust, though from job postings, we can infer it's more like network services than firmware.

Regardless though, I don't see how the implementation language of your firmware is locking you into a specific ecosystem, so this criticism seems misguided to me.