Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
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Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
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Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
#2Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.
Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
#3"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.
Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
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#5"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.
On desktop web gmail there's often a button at the top within gmail's UI to unsubscribe, it acts as a shortcut.
There is a standard for this called list-unsubscribe (RFC 8058), but adding the header has no purpose. I have not been able to find an email client that uses the header: Thunderbird, FairEmail, Gmail, Hotmail, and I'm not sure if I asked someone to test it in Outlook but I think so. It is recommended to add the header for lowering your spam score, I don't know if it actually helps, but this one-click unsubscribe thing in your email client's UI seems to be a custom thing they add manually instead of just using the RFC...
References to show that this is not just me not understanding how to implement the rfc: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4365850/list-unsubscribe... https://serverfault.com/questions/329032/how-to-add-the-list... I also checked emails that do show an unsubscribe button in the client's UI (such as a large pizza ad sender) and they do not have a list-unsubscribe header set at all.
If Google wants Gmail to be less spammy, they could start by not implementing double standards that give senders of big newsletters special treatment and a special hole in the spam filter.
Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
#6"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.
Are you mad at the right party?
Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
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#8Direct from Google: https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentica...
How to lie with statistics :). It's not hard to block all spam if you chuck anything you're not sure about in with the false positives. It's not that Gmail is so much better, it's that they have to care less because everyone has to deal with their dominance on the market
Edit: reading further
> By February 2024, Gmail will start to require that bulk senders:
> 1. Authenticate their email
That is already the case, as evidenced by that the blog post links to an existing help article of theirs to an existing error code that I have indeed encountered as a sender. They mention having rolled this out last year, which fits the timeline on my side.
> 2. Enable easy unsubscription
That has long been required by law. Did they not factor this in yet?!
> 3. [Stay below] a clear spam rate threshold that senders must stay under to ensure Gmail recipients aren’t bombarded with unwanted messages. This is an industry first
Here we go, this is the meat. So if someone wants to annoy you, they can sign up for your newsletter and hit the spam button and everyone will stop receiving all email from your site (such as signup confirmations, password resets... you're basically out of business).
Users do not understand the spam button is meant for spam, not for anything they don't want to receive anymore, which is why it's so useful to have an unsubscribe button in the UI that actually works, but Gmail doesn't show that (see my other comment in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37773525).
"Industry first" indeed... few others have the market power to demand these sorts of things and require senders to spend (wo)manpower on manually resolving delivery issues for individual receivers. If a random ISP would start doing this, the people at that ISP would just get mad that email often does not arrive. With Google, who is going to blame Google? Clearly the site you're signing up on is broken.
Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
#9"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.
Besides the usual bad faith (e.g., ignoring unsubscribes, or creating new categories of communications into which users are opted-in), I saw a new one just an hour ago:
The unsubscribe link, in genuine marketing email for a brand, is for some email address other than the one to which the email was sent. (In this case, I was unsubscribing some unlikely-looking earthlink address, of all things, in an uneditable form field.)
Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help
#10"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.
I can't quickly find any documentation about this from Google directly, confirming whether they support it, but there are a lot of 3P websites discussing it. It's kind of frustrating that Google's announcement [2] explicitly mentions one-click unsubscribes, without actually explaining (or linking to) what specific technologies they're talking about:
> Enable easy unsubscription: You shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to stop receiving unwanted messages from a particular email sender. It should take one click. So we’re requiring that large senders give Gmail recipients the ability to unsubscribe from commercial email in one click, and that they process unsubscription requests within two days. We’ve built these requirements on open standards so that once senders implement them, everyone who uses email benefits. emphasis mine)
That paragraph certainly evokes the idea of `List-Unsubscribe` to me, but it'd be nice to know for sure; and to know what if anything specifically sends need to do to be compatible with Gmail.
(Note that I don't think this removes the need for the email body to include an unsubscribe link, since a recipient can't be presumed to be using a client that supports it.)
[1] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt [2] https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentica...