Ukraine war: Western allies say they are running out of ammunition

Normally I'd be deep into Hanlon's law and things, but the assumption there hasn't been a conversation about ramping up supply is faulty. I am sure there has been and it's been fraught because just like during mask times, manufacturers want guarantees of income and investing in the supply chain stocks and labour and production and logistics incurs costs up-front. In the mask case, the domestic suppliers said "we used to make this stuff but you went least cost and we lost money on the capex, so tell me why I should be fooled twice, which is more fool me"

I think that seeing the bottom of the barrel is euphemistic for "guys, we really have to settle this contract" -not "there are no more shells"

Re: Ukraine war: Western allies say they are running out of ammunition

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Post by RelativeDelta » Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 11:32 PM UTC

ggm wrote: post #3

Normally I'd be deep into Hanlon's law and things, but the assumption there hasn't been a conversation about ramping up supply is faulty. I am sure there has been and it's been fraught because just like during mask times, manufacturers want guarantees of income and investing in the supply chain stocks and labour and production and logistics incurs costs up-front. In the mask case, the domestic suppliers said "we used…

One would hope so.

The WW3 factions are lining up, so it seems inevitable that the sides would start to arm themselves in preparation.

Re: Ukraine war: Western allies say they are running out of ammunition

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Post by drt5b7j » Wed, Oct 04, 2023, 6:58 AM UTC

bell-cot wrote: post #2

This sort of big-picture military incompetence has a rather long history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Crisis_of_1915 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_14_torpedo#Supply_and_pro... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_services_and_supply_i... Etc. etc. etc...

Thanks for this. The West has been such an embarrasingly flaky ally :-(