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Re: Telemetry
#2Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant.
Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page.
This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
Re: Telemetry
#3Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
I find the title to be pretty accurate and I am by no means a native speaker
Re: Telemetry
#4Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
I find the title to be pretty accurate and I am by no means a native speaker
It definitely can be interpreted to mean that the telemetry is opt-in, or that it is opt-out.
(“Opt-in by default” is a double positive, a less common sibling of the dreaded double negative)
Re: Telemetry
#5Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
It’d be clearer if they just said “opted-in by default”.
Re: Telemetry
#6Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
Yes, good point; if it's opt-out, it should say opt-out.
Re: Telemetry
#7Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
It’d be clearer if they just said “opted-in by default”.
I thought the opting is something that is done by the user. If someone else has opted you in, that's... something different.
Re: Telemetry
#8May I perhaps add my rant 50 cents here and link to my post about this?
https://www.justus.pw/garden/telemetry.html
It’s opt out, and it doesn’t even completely disable it (unless given an env var as well)
The devs know about this:
Re: Telemetry
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find the title to be pretty accurate and I am by no means a native speaker
It definitely can be interpreted to mean that the telemetry is opt-in, or that it is opt-out. (“Opt-in by default” is a double positive, a less common sibling of the dreaded double negative)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t a double positive just a positive while a double negative is a positive?
Opt-in by default: you are in You can’t not select opt-in: you are in
Re: Telemetry
#10Submission title is a bit confusing: “opt-in” means you have to opt-in, that is, the default is “off”. The sentence “opt-in by default” is the opposite of what I assume the poster meant. Storybook’s telemetry is opt-out as stated at the top of the page. This also looks like something that should be posted as a text submission with commentary - simply editorializing a link + title is discouraged in HN.
I find the title to be pretty accurate and I am by no means a native speaker
"Opt" means to "To choose; select" [0]. If you opt in (i.e. make the choice to go in), that implies that you were not already in. In other words, it implies that the default (when you don't make a choice) is "out", i.e. disabled.
"Opt-in" and "opt-out" describe what the default is, so adding "by default" doesn't make any sense. If you can choose to go in ("opt-in"), then the default is "out". If you can choose to go out ("opt-out"), then the default is "in".
Some companies appear to be trying to twist this into "The choice is yours, and we have taken the liberty of making that choice on your behalf.".