Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
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Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#2I can't see this ending well for X.
Forcing all users to pay for access seems a pretty heavy handed way of dealing with bots.
Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#3I can't see this ending well for X. Forcing all users to pay for access seems a pretty heavy handed way of dealing with bots.
I'm not even sure this will help much. Yes, in addition to AWS account bot farms now would have to pay X per-bot but this is hardly an issue for state-sponsored bot-farms or bit dark net operators.
With that it's going to push out lots of human users who either can't afford to pay or don't see enough value to justify the price (e.g. casual/occasional users). And with outflow of audience value diminishes for users who might be willing to pay, pushing some of them over the edge.
I wonder whether this would actually increase bot-to-human ratio.
My prediction if would get implemented it would last a week. Like with login-wall last time numbers would plummet too much.
Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#4I find it fascinating that we have no way of telling if a user is human just by looking at their signal.
All the meaning we attribute to a signal depends entirely on something that is not detectable from the signal itself itself: wether an actual human is behind it.
This phenomenon intersects with philosophy, cognitive science, and information theory, and the best solution corporate automata come up with is "just let them pay for the usage".
What a weird web (no pun intended) we've spun.
Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#5Does he get some type of tax-writeoff or something by destroying Twitter entirely?
As I don't believe there is too many users who will pay for it and this will destroy relevance of it for everyone who is paying...
Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#6I find it fascinating that we have no way of telling if a user is human just by looking at their signal. All the meaning we attribute to a signal depends entirely on something that is not detectable from the signal itself itself: wether an actual human is behind it. This phenomenon intersects with philosophy, cognitive science, and information theory, and the best solution corporate automata come up with is "just let…
or it would cost a lot to build to detect via signal?
Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#7In 6 months it's gonna be KYC + video of you holding your ID, and the ID must be a passport.
You have heard it here first.
Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#8I can't see this ending well for X. Forcing all users to pay for access seems a pretty heavy handed way of dealing with bots.
I'm not even sure this will help much. Yes, in addition to AWS account bot farms now would have to pay X per-bot but this is hardly an issue for state-sponsored bot-farms or bit dark net operators. With that it's going to push out lots of human users who either can't afford to pay or don't see enough value to justify the price (e.g. casual/occasional users). And with outflow of audience value diminishes for users who…
It's not the money, it's using a payment card as verification, even just for $0.5 per month. But yeah, this will kill it.
Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#9Does he get some type of tax-writeoff or something by destroying Twitter entirely? As I don't believe there is too many users who will pay for it and this will destroy relevance of it for everyone who is paying...
He does, but the writeoff can't be bigger than what he invested.
Except when it can. It's often possible to do several investments at roughly the same time (within a few years of each other), lose massively on one and write off more than you invested on that one as long as you make a profit on the others and the profit is larger than what you want to write off.
Re: Elon Musk says Twitter, now X, is to charge all users subscription fees
#10I find it fascinating that we have no way of telling if a user is human just by looking at their signal. All the meaning we attribute to a signal depends entirely on something that is not detectable from the signal itself itself: wether an actual human is behind it. This phenomenon intersects with philosophy, cognitive science, and information theory, and the best solution corporate automata come up with is "just let…
or it would cost a lot to build to detect via signal?
Likely not. Here's a paper that provides a decent argument that you just can't be sure that two Twitter accounts represent two different real people.
«We posit the Ghost Trilemma, that there are three key properties of identity -- sentience, location, and uniqueness -- that cannot be simultaneously verified in a fully-decentralized setting. […] We sketch a proof of this trilemma and outline options […]» https://cs.paperswithcode.com/paper/sok-the-ghost-trilemma