The Suspicion Machine
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The Suspicion Machine
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#3This is a real problem. These algorithms are a way for us in the west to experience social credit type scores like we read about from China. I'm sure there's someone here who was unfortunate to have a name that overlapped in some way with an identified "terrorist". Don't forget that when you buy an airplane ticket, there's that always slightly worrisome option to "add your special id number if you are incorrectly listed as a terrorist", whatever they call that. The inability to sue to identify the problem or correct it is a real loss of autonomy and freedom. I've always wondered what the impact would be if I ran into that. And also how come the 'terrorist' can't just find out someone's excuse-me number? I put terrorist in quotes not because there aren't any real terrorists, but because it is such a fraught identification, subjective, there must be mistakes.
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#4This terrifies me.
Algorithms give the rank and file the option to defer all accountability to a machine. The algorithms make mistakes. No one gets blamed or fired for trusting it in the first place.
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#5https://archive.ph/9Ibjn
I desperately want to read this article. Anyone else getting /constant/ cloudflare CAPTCHAS while trying to access archive.ph? Android with mobile Firefox or chrome, first with wifi then mobile then VPN. No matter what I can't access it and it won't stop showing the "are you a human?" check page, even after trying the CAPTCHA the first time it stops showing.
Must be a cloudflare outage?
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#6https://archive.ph/9Ibjn
I desperately want to read this article. Anyone else getting /constant/ cloudflare CAPTCHAS while trying to access archive.ph? Android with mobile Firefox or chrome, first with wifi then mobile then VPN. No matter what I can't access it and it won't stop showing the "are you a human?" check page, even after trying the CAPTCHA the first time it stops showing. Must be a cloudflare outage?
You don't need to read the article, it seems like you understand the problem :)
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#7This is a real problem. These algorithms are a way for us in the west to experience social credit type scores like we read about from China. I'm sure there's someone here who was unfortunate to have a name that overlapped in some way with an identified "terrorist". Don't forget that when you buy an airplane ticket, there's that always slightly worrisome option to "add your special id number if you are incorrectly lis…
In the west, I sometimes wonder if we already have a scoring system which ensures only good citizens can access housing, food and the rest.
It’s called “money”, which together with credit scoring functions to make sure you abide by the rules society sets: no pay, no play.
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#8This is a real problem. These algorithms are a way for us in the west to experience social credit type scores like we read about from China. I'm sure there's someone here who was unfortunate to have a name that overlapped in some way with an identified "terrorist". Don't forget that when you buy an airplane ticket, there's that always slightly worrisome option to "add your special id number if you are incorrectly lis…
In the west, I sometimes wonder if we already have a scoring system which ensures only good citizens can access housing, food and the rest. It’s called “money”, which together with credit scoring functions to make sure you abide by the rules society sets: no pay, no play.
This is like equating dick pic spam with sexual abuse, yes the first one is problematic, but no it is not equal to the second, in fact it's a disservice to victims of genuine abuse to equate them.
I can get money from almost anybody who's willing to give it to me for any reason, the government's influence and visibility into this are limited. I can earn money in some other currency/jurisdiction and convert it, too. Agree the US credit bureaus are problematic (they are not a "Western" thing, they're an American thing), but they're nothing like the social credit score.
With China's social credit score there's one number in a database which the government can adjust as they see fit, if they decide to penalize you, you're no longer able to participate in a vast array of social services and functions. It is total control and you become a pariah overnight.
This comment was whataboutism, I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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#9https://archive.ph/9Ibjn
I desperately want to read this article. Anyone else getting /constant/ cloudflare CAPTCHAS while trying to access archive.ph? Android with mobile Firefox or chrome, first with wifi then mobile then VPN. No matter what I can't access it and it won't stop showing the "are you a human?" check page, even after trying the CAPTCHA the first time it stops showing. Must be a cloudflare outage?
Have you tried reading the linked article? It's not behind a pay wall. It works for me even with javascript on.
IMO, ghe article is only good for better understanding the abysmal failure of the Rotterdam, Netherlands 2017-2021 government benefits random audit program. The authors allege that they contacted other cities that set up something similar but don't name any. Related reading: https://www.wired.com/story/welfare-algorithms-discriminatio...
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the west, I sometimes wonder if we already have a scoring system which ensures only good citizens can access housing, food and the rest. It’s called “money”, which together with credit scoring functions to make sure you abide by the rules society sets: no pay, no play.
This is like equating dick pic spam with sexual abuse, yes the first one is problematic, but no it is not equal to the second, in fact it's a disservice to victims of genuine abuse to equate them. I can get money from almost anybody who's willing to give it to me for any reason, the government's influence and visibility into this are limited. I can earn money in some other currency/jurisdiction and convert it, too. A…
> With China's social credit score there's one number in a database
Isn't the consensus that this doesn't actually exist, though?
It's one of those very well talked about things that in reality just... isn't... there.