Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
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Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#2Any particular problems? Just linking to their policy is a bit confusing. You might consider submitting this as a question and linking to their policy in your summary.
Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#3Any particular problems? Just linking to their policy is a bit confusing. You might consider submitting this as a question and linking to their policy in your summary.
Read the data collection part:
``` 2. Collecting and Using Your Personal Data 2.1 Types of Data Collected 2.1.1 Personal Data While interacting with the Services, You may provide certain personally identifiable information that could be used to contact or identify You. Personally identifiable information may include, but is not limited to:
Your user name for the Services
Text or image prompts you input into the Services, or public chats you maintain on the service
Your IP address
Usage Data
Tracking Technologies and Cookies
Contact Information
Organizational Information like your company title
Your Email
Cookies
Other data that you elect to send to the Company ```
Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#4This reads like something that a site using AdSense would use.
2.5 is interesting
> Your information, including Personal Data, is processed at the Company's operating offices and in any other places where the parties involved in the processing are located. It means that this information may be transferred to — and maintained on — computers located outside of Your state, province, country or other governmental jurisdiction where the data protection laws may differ from those in Your jurisdiction
> Your consent to this Privacy Policy followed by Your submission of such information represents Your agreement to that transfer.
And the table in the middle of the policy...
> Category Collected? Disclosed?
> Identifiers. Name, alias, postal address, unique personal identifier, online identifier, Internet Protocol (IP) address, email address, account name, or other similar identifiers YES YES
> Commercial information. Records of personal property, products or services purchased, obtained, or considered, or other purchasing or consuming histories or tendencies. YES YES
also interesting...
Invested in / partnered with NVIDIA & Hugging Face and others...
Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#5Any particular problems? Just linking to their policy is a bit confusing. You might consider submitting this as a question and linking to their policy in your summary.
Read the data collection part: ``` 2. Collecting and Using Your Personal Data 2.1 Types of Data Collected 2.1.1 Personal Data While interacting with the Services, You may provide certain personally identifiable information that could be used to contact or identify You. Personally identifiable information may include, but is not limited to: Your user name for the Services Text or image prompts you input into the Servi…
That's the normal way a privacy policy is worded. They start by describing the data they get from you, then they describe how that data is used. Obviously you're sending your prompts to them, so they note that and how they'll refer to that data in the rest of their terms.
The thing to pay attention to is how they describe the uses and sharing of that data. And yeah, those sections are super-broad amounting to "we can use all of your personal data however we want" (including "improve our Service" and a super wide "for other purposes").
Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#6This reads like something that a site using AdSense would use. 2.5 is interesting > Your information, including Personal Data, is processed at the Company's operating offices and in any other places where the parties involved in the processing are located. It means that this information may be transferred to — and maintained on — computers located outside of Your state, province, country or other governmental jurisdi…
I was just talking to a colleague about the need for a service like this. Their pricing is much cheaper than self-hosting on AWS (ml.g5.48xlarge, needed to run 70B Lamma2, is $20.36/hr). But the TOS makes it completely unviable.
If someone can figure out how to standup self-hostable, fine-tuneable models with a serverless architecture, it could be a game changer (allowing devs to use something other than OpenAI/Claude).
Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#7I can't recall hearing about this website before. In fact, only one link to this website has ever gained any traction here[0], and it wasn’t much.
Why is it surprising that a random website offering AI services might not have a great privacy policy?
I feel like there must be dozens of websites like this that offer hosting of Llama2 by now. My default assumption would be that they’re not as trustworthy as OpenAI, who has a lot to lose, where smaller companies have basically nothing to lose by comparison. If privacy is a primary concern, companies have to work to earn that trust.
Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#8It's quite easy to opt-out of OpenAI using your data for training. API and ChatGPT Enterprise are private by default.
# OpenAI Products and Privacy
- ChatGPT Free - trains on your data unless you Opt Out
- ChatGPT Plus - trains on your data unless you Opt Out
- ChatGPT Enterprise - does _not_ train on your data
- OpenAI API - does _not_ train on your data
Opt-out link: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-your-data-is...
Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#9It's quite easy to opt-out of OpenAI using your data for training. API and ChatGPT Enterprise are private by default. # OpenAI Products and Privacy - ChatGPT Free - trains on your data unless you Opt Out - ChatGPT Plus - trains on your data unless you Opt Out - ChatGPT Enterprise - does _not_ train on your data - OpenAI API - does _not_ train on your data Opt-out link: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-…
I had no idea! Just submitted the form.
That said, the Enterprise version of ChatGPT is not easy to get by individuals.
Edit: the wording is confusing: "fill out this form to opt-in to share..." might lead the user to think they must submit this form to opt "out".
Re: Llama 2 on togetherAI is as bad of a privacy nightmare as OpenAI
#10I can't recall hearing about this website before. In fact, only one link to this website has ever gained any traction here[0], and it wasn’t much. Why is it surprising that a random website offering AI services might not have a great privacy policy? I feel like there must be dozens of websites like this that offer hosting of Llama2 by now. My default assumption would be that they’re not as trustworthy as OpenAI, who…
This is not a random website - together is a prominent AI research company. Their chief scientist invented flashattention, which is used to train most LLMs. They release open source datasets/models like RedPajama. And they've published research around speeding up model training and newer model architectures.