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Skin health can be used to predict a number of seemingly unconnected factors

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Re: Skin health can be used to predict a number of seemingly unconnected factors

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I wonder how much of the value of moisturizing is from massaging the tissue and working waste into the lymphatic or circulatory systems for disposal.

I've been wondering this, too, and remembering back to childhood when my mom advised always moving from extremities inward towards the heart (sunscreen, toweling off, etc).

Re: Skin health can be used to predict a number of seemingly unconnected factors

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There's questionable reporting in some parts of the article which makes me doubt how seriously I should take the rest of it. Case in point with the concept of moisturizer adding moisture. While the name implies that that's what it does, it actually prevents moisture your body provides from escaping, it doesn't add any moisture that isn't already there. While the end result may seem similar, it isn't, for example you can't keep adding moisturizer to get more and more moisture, you're capped by what your body provides.

Re: Skin health can be used to predict a number of seemingly unconnected factors

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post #4

There's questionable reporting in some parts of the article which makes me doubt how seriously I should take the rest of it. Case in point with the concept of moisturizer adding moisture. While the name implies that that's what it does, it actually prevents moisture your body provides from escaping, it doesn't add any moisture that isn't already there. While the end result may seem similar, it isn't, for example you…

Not true. There are different classes of moisturizers, some are water based and do actually add moisture. Then there are oilier ones that only keep moisture in.

I knkw this, because my skin is so dry and missing any protective layer that I have to apply both in sequence.

Re: Skin health can be used to predict a number of seemingly unconnected factors

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In late 2020 I committed to only taking cold showers. I note several upsides after nearly three years of this:

- easier to forego caffeine, as cold water in the morning leaves me wide awake

- easier to use less water, in part because it's so easy to get out of the shower into a warmer environment

- mental health benefits, including increased confidence dealing with things I don't want to do but which are my adult duties- cold showers have helped me grow up

- my skin is healthier; I'm no longer soaping and heating away my natural oils (I only use soap if I'm actually dirty, though of course I still soap my hands throughout the day for food prep, etc), and maybe the constriction helps with lymph flow? Dunno about that, but my skin feels good these days, except my arms and hands, which get a lot of sun (and so I've been using sunscreen more often, moisturizing with olive & coconut oils, wearing long sleeves, staying in the shade, and spending more outside time in the morning and evening).

Massage is great, too, from oneself and/or another person; take some time moisturizing and applying different levels of pressure- an aunt said lymphatic massage is a light touch, not felt in the muscles. I don't take all her advice, mind, but it does feel good to be kind to my skin.

Edit to add: oh and pat down to dry off, rather than rubbing with a towel, so as not to remove oil. On the other hand, is it helpful to speed exfoliation? Maybe only if there's flaking dry skin, which needs more intensive care anyway? My understanding is that our skin sloughs off naturally and generally doesn't need extra help, depending on the individual.

Re: Skin health can be used to predict a number of seemingly unconnected factors

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I like to try and guess people's ages. In real life, or on video, where their personalities influence my guess, I'm much worse than when looking at a still image.

With a still image often the quality of a person's skin is the only giveaway, and when that is the case I'm remarkably accurate most of the time. So I'm skeptical there's much one can do, and people's skin seems to age at roughly the same rate.

Re: Skin health can be used to predict a number of seemingly unconnected factors

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Some heavy lifting for the claim that skin impacts health comes from this:

> it's thought that intrinsic factors are responsible for the tiniest fraction of the classic "aged" look, while UV light is responsible for over 80% of visible skin changes.

Here's the result from the study this links to:

"By calculating statistical correlations between the four clinical clusters (wrinkles/texture, ptosis, vascular disorders, and pigmentation disorders), and real age and apparent age on the one hand and heliodermal status on the other hand, we identified a link between each clinical cluster and aging and the photoaging process. By comparing evaluations of clinical signs between the two groups for each 10-year cluster, we demonstrated that whatever the age, a prevalence of pigmentation disorders for the sun-seeking group (ie, pigmentation) is strongly linked to ultraviolet exposure. Meanwhile, clinical signs of ptosis are linked more to chronological aging and do not present differences between the two groups, nor, therefore, photoaging. Wrinkles and texture are affected by the two aging processes. Finally, clinical signs of vascular disorders present no evolution with age."

I guess since UV impacts pigmentation and partially wrinkles, they add that up to 80%, but I see no hard number given for % impact on wrinkles/texture.

One problem I can immediately see is that people are judged to be older primarily based on wrinkling, not pigmentation. Though it may be uncommon to notice age spots absent of significant wrinkling.

I don't see a convincing case that unprotected skin is correlated with mortality risk moreso than poor health is correlated with aged skin.

Re: Skin health can be used to predict a number of seemingly unconnected factors

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Some heavy lifting for the claim that skin impacts health comes from this: > it's thought that intrinsic factors are responsible for the tiniest fraction of the classic "aged" look, while UV light is responsible for over 80% of visible skin changes. Here's the result from the study this links to: "By calculating statistical correlations between the four clinical clusters (wrinkles/texture, ptosis, vascular disorders,…

Smooth, soft and clear skin is definitely correlated with youth. It conjures the image of babies in most people's minds. Deviations from that indicate a degree of aging depending on the type and extent.
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