Flask is awesome
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Re: Flask is awesome
#2Whenever I see Flask code, it just reminds me how unbelievably succinct Sinatra is.
I imagine it's a limitation of Ruby vs Python for creating DSLs, but a basic Flask app just seems so verbose. It's like seeing "Hello World" in Java vs "Hello World" in a dynamic language like python or ruby.
Re: Flask is awesome
#3Whenever I see Flask code, it just reminds me how unbelievably succinct Sinatra is. I imagine it's a limitation of Ruby vs Python for creating DSLs, but a basic Flask app just seems so verbose. It's like seeing "Hello World" in Java vs "Hello World" in a dynamic language like python or ruby.
Flask:
from flask import Flask
app = Flask(__name__)
@app.route("/")
def hello():
return "Hello World!"
if __name__ == "__main__":
app.run()
require 'sinatra'
get '/hi' do
"Hello World!"
endRe: Flask is awesome
#4Whenever I see Flask code, it just reminds me how unbelievably succinct Sinatra is. I imagine it's a limitation of Ruby vs Python for creating DSLs, but a basic Flask app just seems so verbose. It's like seeing "Hello World" in Java vs "Hello World" in a dynamic language like python or ruby.
Flask: from flask import Flask app = Flask(__name__) @app.route("/") def hello(): return "Hello World!" if __name__ == "__main__": app.run() Sinatra: require 'sinatra' get '/hi' do "Hello World!" end
I guess saving a couple lines is nice, but flask is already so concise, I have no complaints about keystrokes. Plus, for a real app, I imagine the percent more lines would be smaller, though I don't know sinatra's syntax for other stuff.
Re: Flask is awesome
#5Whenever I see Flask code, it just reminds me how unbelievably succinct Sinatra is. I imagine it's a limitation of Ruby vs Python for creating DSLs, but a basic Flask app just seems so verbose. It's like seeing "Hello World" in Java vs "Hello World" in a dynamic language like python or ruby.
Flask: from flask import Flask app = Flask(__name__) @app.route("/") def hello(): return "Hello World!" if __name__ == "__main__": app.run() Sinatra: require 'sinatra' get '/hi' do "Hello World!" end
Note that there is no need for the conditional if you just want to serve this route (and there is no need for the conditional block at all if you're just defining view functions), and that this whole block exists once per project.
And that a Flask app is a proper WSGI application (as opposed to a self-running Sinatra handler which has to be quite significantly modified to be Rack-compatible)
As a result, the actual verbosity difference comes down to:
@app.route("/")
def hello():
return "Hello World!"
get '/hi' do
"Hello World!"
end
app.route('/')(
lambda: "Hello World!")
(one could argue that the Flask version lets you formally write docstrings which standard Python doc tools will understand)
(and if you're wondering, yes Flask could provide support for not needing to define an app or run it for this trivial example, leaving named functions as the only actual overhead over Sinatra. I don't think there's much value in it, but it wouldn't be very hard)
Re: Flask is awesome
#6Rather than quibbling over syntax, I'd like to comment on a real concern I have about blogs, particularly ones that engage in hagiographies on things they don't appear to rightly understand.
Nota bene: I am a user of Flask and have been one for quite some time. I am incredibly fond of it and it has replaced Django for most things I do in web dev. I am very familiar with it and its limitations/ugly corners. Familiarity breeding contempt and all that. That said, little contempt has arisen from my familiarity with Flask. It's that good.
Do we upvote these blog posts because we think they're constructive? This is somewhere on the order of a press release in depth. The farthest this post gets is in describing an app that uses hard-coded credentials to log an administrator in.
This doesn't demonstrate the strengths of Flask, nor the weaknesses, nor why it's necessarily better than Sinatra, Bottle, or any other micro web-framework.
Since this post has failed to do so, I'll fill in that gap as quickly as I can.
Flask is great because it scales to your needs. It starts as painlessly as any other micro web-framework, but what makes it nice is that it's so easy and clean to graft disparate ways of doing a web-app.
In my particular case, I'm in the process of building a service on Flask and MongoDB. I'm in the process of making Flask, WTForms, and MongoEngine all play nice together and Flask has done a wonderful job of making this painless because it doesn't make any bizarre assumptions and it doesn't force any strange contortions in my code like Sinatra or raw Rack apps do.
Having hacked on some Rack and Sinatra code, I can tell you right now that the moment you want to make a "real" app with the typical complexity of a mature service, even the bare basics get painful really fast.
Flask hasn't done this to me yet, it's already breezed well past where I've taken raw Rack and Sinatra+Rack apps before.
This blog post, however, does not come from experience. It does not attempt to explain why Flask is better than the alternatives, it doesn't even demonstrate any interesting aspects of Flask.
This is blogspam.
Please reconsider your upvotes, please reconsider promoting content like this again.
Popularity for popularity's sake in the absence of knowledge, experience, and data is simply "pop culture". (cf. Node.js)
Edit: Worse, the author even explicitly appeals to the quality of Flask on the basis of "branding".
Engineering decisions shouldn't be made on the basis of pop culture.
Choose Flask because you know it suits the problem you're solving well, or because you know it suits your style of programming.
Don't choose it because somebody showed you a "hello, world!" example.
Re: Flask is awesome
#7Rather than quibbling over syntax, I'd like to comment on a real concern I have about blogs, particularly ones that engage in hagiographies on things they don't appear to rightly understand. Nota bene: I am a user of Flask and have been one for quite some time. I am incredibly fond of it and it has replaced Django for most things I do in web dev. I am very familiar with it and its limitations/ugly corners. Familiarit…
With regards to scalability, I second this.
We are developing a web service with it, and as our project has grown we have had no problems moving from decorated functions to class based views.
We looked at Django but quickly realised that our service didnt need to be that heavy.
And because of its Flasks clear modularity, unit and functional testing things has been fairly easy.
Re: Flask is awesome
#8Rather than quibbling over syntax, I'd like to comment on a real concern I have about blogs, particularly ones that engage in hagiographies on things they don't appear to rightly understand. Nota bene: I am a user of Flask and have been one for quite some time. I am incredibly fond of it and it has replaced Django for most things I do in web dev. I am very familiar with it and its limitations/ugly corners. Familiarit…
With regards to scalability, I second this. We are developing a web service with it, and as our project has grown we have had no problems moving from decorated functions to class based views. We looked at Django but quickly realised that our service didnt need to be that heavy. And because of its Flasks clear modularity, unit and functional testing things has been fairly easy.
The problem I had with Django wasn't that it didn't scale in the sense of "heaviness", but rather that the moment you wanted to do something that was outside the typical expectations Django had about a webapp's behavior, it punished you for it.
A more extreme example might be the agony you go through in attempting to get Rails to do something non-standard.
The client testing in Flask is a GODSEND. I love it dearly. It even supports the session context properly!
Re: Flask is awesome
#9Rather than quibbling over syntax, I'd like to comment on a real concern I have about blogs, particularly ones that engage in hagiographies on things they don't appear to rightly understand. Nota bene: I am a user of Flask and have been one for quite some time. I am incredibly fond of it and it has replaced Django for most things I do in web dev. I am very familiar with it and its limitations/ugly corners. Familiarit…
I think this is a very valid point, and it comes up quite frequently in comparison of frameworks and libraries.
One example that was annoying me recently was in trying to select a Javascript client-side MVC (MVVM, etc.) framework for a single-page application.
The internet is full of people busily comparing, contrasting, arguing about, and recommending JS frameworks. Problem: 95% of them are doing so based on a No real world app is going to be solved in HUGELY. And I don't think that gets nearly enough recognition.
(In fact, on this very thread, I see someone comparing a "hello world" app in Flask and Sinatra, and complaining about Flask's relative "verbosity". This is utter nonsense of the precise kind you've identified. Implement a calendar app in both that syncs with Google Calendar, and THEN compare line counts, and NOW you have a some feel for verbosity. Sinatra might win handily, but you can't tell that from a hello world app. Then again, off the top of my head, I can't think of one actually useful thing a hello world app can tell you about a framework.)
[1]: I'm speaking figuratively, obviously. Some of my proudest moments as a programmer have involved solving problems in just a couple. Sadly, this does not happen often. :)
Re: Flask is awesome
#10Whenever I see Flask code, it just reminds me how unbelievably succinct Sinatra is. I imagine it's a limitation of Ruby vs Python for creating DSLs, but a basic Flask app just seems so verbose. It's like seeing "Hello World" in Java vs "Hello World" in a dynamic language like python or ruby.
Flask: from flask import Flask app = Flask(__name__) @app.route("/") def hello(): return "Hello World!" if __name__ == "__main__": app.run() Sinatra: require 'sinatra' get '/hi' do "Hello World!" end
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