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The Wellness-to-Fascism

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Re: The Wellness-to-Fascism

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At least in Germany (though articile is in England) this is not surprising. These people are and were against measles vaccines, Walddorf ideology is close to Antisemitism. I bet Jane is very likely against GMOs. And most arguments against GMOs leads to conspiracy theories very soon.

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post #2

At least in Germany (though articile is in England) this is not surprising. These people are and were against measles vaccines, Walddorf ideology is close to Antisemitism. I bet Jane is very likely against GMOs. And most arguments against GMOs leads to conspiracy theories very soon.

Walddorf is though very German.

Re: The Wellness-to-Fascism

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TL;DR some people have beliefs that widely differ from the median opinion of The Guardian editors. This is fascism.

100% no.

The article, if you care to read it, documents how disinformation works. You start with a little, inconsequential lie, get your suckers in a row who yearn to be part of something, then escalate.

The clear path from anti vax to killing people you don't like is well underway. If it wasn't so horrifying, speed running nazi germany would be fascinating.

Re: The Wellness-to-Fascism

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After watching the PewDiePipeline [1] video, and now learning about the Yogapipeline ... I'm starting to wonder if this is a consequence of "flooding" or accumulation of disinformation due to an always-on firehose of falsehood [2].

[1] https://youtu.be/pnmRYRRDbuw

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood

Re: The Wellness-to-Fascism

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post #6

After watching the PewDiePipeline [1] video, and now learning about the Yogapipeline ... I'm starting to wonder if this is a consequence of "flooding" or accumulation of disinformation due to an always-on firehose of falsehood [2]. [1] https://youtu.be/pnmRYRRDbuw [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood

How are people supposed to tell falsehoods from truth? If such a thing exists - many things aren't b/w, but shades of grey, undetermined, or "it depends".

For every scientific study that shows X, there will be other studies showing !X. People aren't scientists peer-reviewing or questioning paper author's (potential) conflict of interest.

So they seek trusted 'authorities' to tell them what's what. Like friends, co-workers, news anchors, talk show hosts, sometimes government institutions. Or these days... cough. influencers.. cough.

In many wellness situations, there's at least some kind of trust relation between practicioners & clients. So having them serve as source-of-truth is not that strange, really.

Re: The Wellness-to-Fascism

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post #2

At least in Germany (though articile is in England) this is not surprising. These people are and were against measles vaccines, Walddorf ideology is close to Antisemitism. I bet Jane is very likely against GMOs. And most arguments against GMOs leads to conspiracy theories very soon.

"Waldorf" btw, like the hotels (and the salad).

Re: The Wellness-to-Fascism

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It's disconcerting that those "combatting disinformation" often neglect the vital practice of earnestly challenging their own beliefs.

It seems they're fighting for a change in figures of authority not rationalism.

Re: The Wellness-to-Fascism

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Anti-vax and like positions have been cause-celebre positions for other political leanings, previously and now. I guess the guardian doesn't want to look though it's archives and remember it's part in the affair.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/200...

Course the original article, "New health fears over big surge in autism" is now inaccessible via the guardian.* How positively "fascist", eh guardian?

*Their are dozens of other "supporting" opinion and 'concerned' articles they haven't removed. Just look before 2012 and MMR.

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