IPv6 Is A Disaster (but we can fix it)

If any "new" computer technology has been around even half as long as IPv6 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_deployment#Major_mileston... ), with even a tenth of the "you gotta start using this!" push from the Big Boys - and yet still is very widely avoided/resisted, and the older-tech alternative commands a price premium due to widespread demand...gosh, that "new" technology must absolutely suck, eh?

Re: IPv6 Is A Disaster (but we can fix it)

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Post by NoZebra120vClip » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 2:10 PM UTC

For an IPv6 advocate, this guy sure set up a lot of NAT. And while he claimed he's going IPv6-only, he set up public access via IPv4. That won't convince anyone to switch or upgrade.

I understand that he's building a usable service and just trying to git 'er done, but it's a lot of hacks, so I'm glad they're documented in this here blogpost.

I hope that he can continually probe the edges to find out when real IPv6 support becomes available, and can gradually remove the hacks for a purer experience.

Re: IPv6 Is A Disaster (but we can fix it)

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Post by NoZebra120vClip » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 2:13 PM UTC

stop50 wrote: post #3

to be short: most stuff didn't work because they cling to their ipv4 address.

I wonder if he disabled IPv4 support in the kernel and stacks, or if he simply removed the IPv4 address from network interfaces and A records from DNS?

Re: IPv6 Is A Disaster (but we can fix it)

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Post by Nextgrid » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 2:19 PM UTC

bell-cot wrote: post #4

My IPv6 philosophy: If any "new" computer technology has been around even half as long as IPv6 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_deployment#Major_mileston... ), with even a tenth of the "you gotta start using this!" push from the Big Boys - and yet still is very widely avoided/resisted, and the older-tech alternative commands a price premium due to widespread demand...gosh, that "new" technology must absolutely su…

I don't think it's fair to blame the technology. The problem is that the computing industry has changed.

The things that IPv6 would enable (direct end-to-end connectivity) is now seen as a negative by the industry that has since pivoted on rent-seeking, walled gardens and restricting user's potential. The industry is now even legally making money on many things that would've been considered outright malware just a decade ago.

People being able to host things themselves, or local-first apps that communicate directly without the need for any middlemen is a negative for the industry. The industry wants there to be a technical need for a middleman, so they can provide that and seek rent over it.

There is no user-level demand for IPv6 because the industry is no longer making any apps/devices/services that would take advantage of end-to-end connectivity (even if it was available now - let's say in a hypothetical world where IPv6 adoption is 100%) since it's more profitable not to, so as a result there is no pressure on ISPs to offer it.

Re: IPv6 Is A Disaster (but we can fix it)

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Post by mduggles » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 2:36 PM UTC

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #5

For an IPv6 advocate, this guy sure set up a lot of NAT. And while he claimed he's going IPv6-only, he set up public access via IPv4. That won't convince anyone to switch or upgrade. I understand that he's building a usable service and just trying to git 'er done, but it's a lot of hacks, so I'm glad they're documented in this here blogpost. I hope that he can continually probe the edges to find out when real IPv6 su…

I mean my intention was to go pure, hence finding the Docker IPv6 registry and doing the IPv6 stuff with the bridge interface.

My hope is folks know of workarounds and I’ll do them and update the post.

Re: IPv6 Is A Disaster (but we can fix it)

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Post by ClashTheBunny » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 3:01 PM UTC

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #5

For an IPv6 advocate, this guy sure set up a lot of NAT. And while he claimed he's going IPv6-only, he set up public access via IPv4. That won't convince anyone to switch or upgrade. I understand that he's building a usable service and just trying to git 'er done, but it's a lot of hacks, so I'm glad they're documented in this here blogpost. I hope that he can continually probe the edges to find out when real IPv6 su…

What would you suggest they have done?

I feel like excluding IPv4 folks is a large reason why IPv6 continues to fail. I feel like this is a pretty good compromise between pushing IPv6 and not being an IPv6 hermit in the IPv6 desert.

Re: IPv6 Is A Disaster (but we can fix it)

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Post by stop50 » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 3:22 PM UTC

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #6

stop50 wrote: post #3

to be short: most stuff didn't work because they cling to their ipv4 address.

I wonder if he disabled IPv4 support in the kernel and stacks, or if he simply removed the IPv4 address from network interfaces and A records from DNS?

If the host has no v4 it switches to v6 if possible. Disabling the support is not needed