Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
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Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#2I'm selling mine and probably not buying any more Teslas. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes it an easy decision.
Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#3Seems like a pretty weak claim to be honest. I think it is pretty obvious that maximum range refers to maxium range under ideal conditions and that using more eletronics in the car reduces the range.
Porsche isn't lying about their max speed either, just because you can't reach it with 300kg of load and bad weather.
Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#4This one actually seems fair - literally the only reason I ever considered Tesla was the range. The only reason I didn’t buy any other EV was because I was waiting for them to catch up to the Tesla range. Turns out that advantage was a lie - I hope their competitors also sue them.
Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#5Seems like a pretty weak claim to be honest. I think it is pretty obvious that maximum range refers to maxium range under ideal conditions and that using more eletronics in the car reduces the range. Porsche isn't lying about their max speed either, just because you can't reach it with 300kg of load and bad weather.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerate...
Hypothetical Porsche didn't setup customer service teams to lie to customers on a mass-scale when the complaints came in though.
We have evidence of Tesla service-cancellation teams. We have evidence of Tesla's software purposefully being inaccurate when above 50% charge, and then slowly becoming more accurate when reaching 50% or less charge.
This is literally and precisely, a conspiracy perpetrated by Tesla and its executives to trick users into thinking Tesla cars have more range than they truly do.
Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#6Seems like a pretty weak claim to be honest. I think it is pretty obvious that maximum range refers to maxium range under ideal conditions and that using more eletronics in the car reduces the range. Porsche isn't lying about their max speed either, just because you can't reach it with 300kg of load and bad weather.
Basically every other EV tries to give a realistic range based on the temperate and your driving habits.
Teslas appear to always show the EPA range at full and it sounds like they stay very optimistic for quite a long time, giving drivers a very unrealistic picture.
That’s lying to the customer. They’re not trying to be useful but to look good.
And in every EV range comparison I’ve ever seen, teslas are the ones that can’t meet their claimed range by a fair margin. Other brands are almost always close to accurate or in some cases do noticeably better than claimed.
Only Tesla does this.
Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#7Seems like a pretty weak claim to be honest. I think it is pretty obvious that maximum range refers to maxium range under ideal conditions and that using more eletronics in the car reduces the range. Porsche isn't lying about their max speed either, just because you can't reach it with 300kg of load and bad weather.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerate... Hypothetical Porsche didn't setup customer service teams to lie to customers on a mass-scale when the complaints came in though. We have evidence of Tesla service-cancellation teams. We have evidence of Tesla's software purposefully being inaccurate when above 50% charge, and then slowly becoming more accurate when reaching 50% or less charge. This is li…
>lie to customers
Is that alleged? I saw only the support telling customers that this is expected. "There is nothing wrong with your car, don't bother comming. It is expected that sometimes your car gets galf the range." is not a lie at all. It seems absolutely truthful and in fact the total opposite of exaggerating the range of the car.
>We have evidence of Tesla service-cancellation teams. We have evidence of Tesla's software purposefully being inaccurate when above 50% charge, and then slowly becoming more accurate when reaching 50% or less charge.
The algorithm claim seems extremely weak. Unless you can get some actual developer to testify that he was explicitly ordered to build the algorithm to report a range which he knew was impossible to reach or something similar, this seems practically irrelevant.
The "service-cancellation teams" seem somewhat stranger. I don't think cancelling a service appointment is damning in any way, though.
Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#8Seems like a pretty weak claim to be honest. I think it is pretty obvious that maximum range refers to maxium range under ideal conditions and that using more eletronics in the car reduces the range. Porsche isn't lying about their max speed either, just because you can't reach it with 300kg of load and bad weather.
These claims are always ambiguous, but there are reasonable limits. Every car has a 0-60 of 3 seconds — if it's falling off a cliff.
Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#9You can get close to EPA estimate if you drive the speed limit and avoid aggressive acceleration, something that almost no one does.
Re: Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
#10I almost bought one about 5 years ago, and I'm glad I didn't. If I had, I would be upset if I wasn't able to simply return the car for a full refund, subscription features included, instead of what, $50? in any class action payout.