Intent to approve PEP 703: making the GIL optional

Approving a PEP isn’t just flipping a bit, there are other decisions which come with it; this is process transparency and, implicitly, calling for feedback relevant to those other bits.

Re: Intent to approve PEP 703: making the GIL optional

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Post by mkl95 » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 9:44 PM UTC

mlryyc wrote: post #3

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Considering Python is probably the most popular language ever, I would say the members of the council keep a pretty low profile. There are declining languages with userbases orders of magnitude smaller that make the front page more often.

Re: Intent to approve PEP 703: making the GIL optional

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Post by frfl » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 9:53 PM UTC

If I remember Guido van Rossum did mention the status of the GIL in one of the Lex Friedman episodes [1] he was on (it's been a while, so I may be misremembering). Surprised to see a big decision like this happen so quickly. Did Meta's announcement play a big role in this [2]?

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DVyjdw4t9I

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36643670

Re: Intent to approve PEP 703: making the GIL optional

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Post by KRAKRISMOTT » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 10:07 PM UTC

frfl wrote: post #8

If I remember Guido van Rossum did mention the status of the GIL in one of the Lex Friedman episodes [1] he was on (it's been a while, so I may be misremembering). Surprised to see a big decision like this happen so quickly. Did Meta's announcement play a big role in this [2]? [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DVyjdw4t9I [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36643670

Removing him as BDFL was probably the best thing to have happened to Python. He never prioritized performance as a top priority, at least not the same way Lua, JavaScript and Java did. Even Ruby has a JIT now.

Re: Intent to approve PEP 703: making the GIL optional

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Post by ambivalence » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 10:16 PM UTC

KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #9

frfl wrote: post #8

If I remember Guido van Rossum did mention the status of the GIL in one of the Lex Friedman episodes [1] he was on (it's been a while, so I may be misremembering). Surprised to see a big decision like this happen so quickly. Did Meta's announcement play a big role in this [2]? [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DVyjdw4t9I [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36643670

Removing him as BDFL was probably the best thing to have happened to Python. He never prioritized performance as a top priority, at least not the same way Lua, JavaScript and Java did. Even Ruby has a JIT now.

You know that people change their minds and now Guido is working as part of a team at Microsoft that is literally called "Faster CPython"?