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AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions

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I think this is clickbait more than anything. Sensational statements hoping it will be quoted widely- which clearly worked.

Of course we can program AI to react emotionally to stimuli. Or, AI will be informed enough from its own learning to reach for an emotional reaction as a response if it seemed to be appropriate. This isn't the same as experiencing the emotion and then finding a way to express it.

Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions

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I think this is clickbait more than anything. Sensational statements hoping it will be quoted widely- which clearly worked. Of course we can program AI to react emotionally to stimuli. Or, AI will be informed enough from its own learning to reach for an emotional reaction as a response if it seemed to be appropriate. This isn't the same as experiencing the emotion and then finding a way to express it.

What is an emotion if not an "intermediate" stimuli? e.g. lack of food in tummy causes the "hungry" emotion which then causes the organism to seek food.

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post #3

I think this is clickbait more than anything. Sensational statements hoping it will be quoted widely- which clearly worked. Of course we can program AI to react emotionally to stimuli. Or, AI will be informed enough from its own learning to reach for an emotional reaction as a response if it seemed to be appropriate. This isn't the same as experiencing the emotion and then finding a way to express it.

What is an emotion if not an "intermediate" stimuli? e.g. lack of food in tummy causes the "hungry" emotion which then causes the organism to seek food.

What is speaking if not stringing together coherent words in a readable sentence?

Expecting or abstracting human characteristics onto a probabilistic black-box modeled on human behavior is a trap. It's borderline "Finder smiles so my computer is happy" logic. We have created these things to closely model (but not replicate) human behavior. This is distinctly a high-level emulation, with zero consideration for human concepts like extended memory or physical sensation.

I would say that emotion is something more intangible, that you can't simulate by taking shortcuts with math and language. If I tell ChatGPT "I shot you dead!" and it says "ow!" back, nothing has transpired. The machine "felt" nothing, it just intuited what a human might do in that situation.

Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions

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I think this is clickbait more than anything. Sensational statements hoping it will be quoted widely- which clearly worked. Of course we can program AI to react emotionally to stimuli. Or, AI will be informed enough from its own learning to reach for an emotional reaction as a response if it seemed to be appropriate. This isn't the same as experiencing the emotion and then finding a way to express it.

>"This isn't the same as experiencing the emotion and then finding a way to express it."

How is it different?

Aren't people just expressing sadness in a way that they've been conditioned to do? If sad, do sad things. Drink alcohol, put on a sad song list, reach for comfort of nostalgia, etc? I can't think of many novel ways to express sadness.

Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions

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It's ontologically impossible for matrix multiplication and non-linear transforms to have emotions. So I'm not sure where he's coming from.

At its core, what is our brain doing to cause us to experience emotions? Can that (neurons) be expressed mathematically? If so, what’s to say that math can’t experience emotions?

Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions

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It's ontologically impossible for matrix multiplication and non-linear transforms to have emotions. So I'm not sure where he's coming from.

At its core, what is our brain doing to cause us to experience emotions? Can that (neurons) be expressed mathematically? If so, what’s to say that math can’t experience emotions?

At its core, what is a mass doing to cause gravitational attraction? Can that (distortion of space time) be expressed mathematically? If so, what's to say that math can't cause gravitational attraction?

Re: AI researcher Geoffrey Hinton thinks AI has or will have emotions

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It's ontologically impossible for matrix multiplication and non-linear transforms to have emotions. So I'm not sure where he's coming from.

At its core, what is our brain doing to cause us to experience emotions? Can that (neurons) be expressed mathematically? If so, what’s to say that math can’t experience emotions?

Depends how you define "emotion", but I imagine the grandparent is assuming a definition along the lines of "neurochemical reaction to stimulus that affects mammalian consciousness in a way that affects heart rate, perception, skin temperature, blood flow to different parts of the body, etc."
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