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Re: Ask HN: Dang, could the login page get a title?

#4

why can't the HN codebase be opensourced? so that we can send PR to help improve.

Well also it creates extra workload for maintainers to handle PRs and issues that come in.

I'd personally rather work on a private codebase, just doing the actual implementation work, and not have to deal with people getting upset that I'm not merging PRs they've sunk a lot of time into.

Re: Ask HN: Dang, could the login page get a title?

#7

why can't the HN codebase be opensourced? so that we can send PR to help improve.

The original version was open sourced (Perl artistic License) http://arclanguage.org/ There is an active fork in https://github.com/arclanguage/anarki but it's totally independent and the current conde in HN can be (very) different.

My guess is that it's very difficult to keep all the details of the secret sauce hidden. They change the details very often. For example the front page is ordered by points/time^1.6, but the 1.6 changes from time to time without notice (I think it was 1.8 for some time, perhaps it's 1.8 or something else now. Some people have analyzed the front page and got compatible results, but I don't remember the exponent they found and I'm too lazy to try).

Re: Ask HN: Dang, could the login page get a title?

#9

why can't the HN codebase be opensourced? so that we can send PR to help improve.

The original version was open sourced (Perl artistic License) http://arclanguage.org/ There is an active fork in https://github.com/arclanguage/anarki but it's totally independent and the current conde in HN can be (very) different. My guess is that it's very difficult to keep all the details of the secret sauce hidden. They change the details very often. For example the front page is ordered by points/time^1.6, but…

Dang once mentioned that the actual HN codebase is full of YC business code that would be very difficult to extricate - and that parts of it like the spam filters and flamewar detector they want to keep secret to prevent people from gaming the system. Also that he just doesn't have time to do it.

As far as "secret sauce" goes, the sauce is that the mods actively upweigh, downweigh and filter user accounts all the time. Trying to reverse engineer a working algorithm from this site's behavior is a fool's errand.

Re: Ask HN: Dang, could the login page get a title?

#10
If they're going to update that page just add it to the list:

- Title (ideally unique, like Login | Hacker News)

- Use of section heading elements for "Login" and "Create Account"

- A background color

- Set the autocomplete attribute on the two password inputs to "current-password" for login and "new-password" for Create Account. Give both username inputs the autocomplete "username"[0]

- Give the two username and password inputs unique names (e.g. username, new-username, password, new-password)

- Stop being "clever" and change to standard HTML forms. Currently, both login/create forms point to the same endpoint, with the button's "value" mutating what that end-point does. This is completely non-standard and therefore difficult for any password manager to navigate without hard-coding. Instead, have each submit to a different endpoint (e.g. login, and create-account respectively).

- The forgotten password page also points to an endpoint called "x" and the username input has a different name than either one found on the login page "s" and no autocomplete hint.

If someone wanted to target HN with a bot, circumventing this would be trivial. It only really negatively impacts legitimate users trying to use password managers.

[0] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/password_...

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