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The deindustrialization of Germany

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Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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And obviously the reason is the lack of labour reform and not the billions in handouts currently given by the US and China which the EU refuses to match because of its brain dead insistence on undistorted markets and fiscal rigour. Ah Politico, such well researched and reasonable journalism, it warms my heart…

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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> Nearly 20 years ago, Germany overcame its reputation as the “sick man of Europe” with a package of ambitious labor market reforms Does anyone know what those were?

That's a reference to the so-called "Agenda 2010": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_2010

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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And obviously the reason is the lack of labour reform and not the billions in handouts currently given by the US and China which the EU refuses to match because of its brain dead insistence on undistorted markets and fiscal rigour. Ah Politico, such well researched and reasonable journalism, it warms my heart…

what are you referring to with "billions of handouts"?

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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> Nearly 20 years ago, Germany overcame its reputation as the “sick man of Europe” with a package of ambitious labor market reforms Does anyone know what those were?

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2015/wp15162.pdf

"In 2003–05, Germany undertook extensive labor market reforms which were followed by a large and persistent decline in unemployment. Key elements of the reforms were a drastic cut in benefits for the long-term unemployed and tighter job search and acceptance obligations."

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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> Nearly 20 years ago, Germany overcame its reputation as the “sick man of Europe” with a package of ambitious labor market reforms Does anyone know what those were?

The Hartz reforms are fairly famous, yes. It’s mostly social dumping. Forced contraction of actual wages through reform of the benefits plans.

It’s important to note that they are overall poor reforms and should have been nullified by the German money value shifting due to the knock off effect on the saving rate. This didn’t happen because they were put in place at the same time as the Euro and the overall imbalance in the union allowed Germany to keep an undervalued currency. In effect, Germany robbed all the poorer members of the union to prop up its own economy something it has kept doing since.

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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And obviously the reason is the lack of labour reform and not the billions in handouts currently given by the US and China which the EU refuses to match because of its brain dead insistence on undistorted markets and fiscal rigour. Ah Politico, such well researched and reasonable journalism, it warms my heart…

Why aren't other EU countries facing the same problems? Also, from the article:

> BASF opened a plant near Dresden that makes cathode materials for electric-car batteries just two weeks ago and has pledged to keep investing in its home market. To secure such commitments, however, local and federal governments have been forced to offer generous incentives. BASF will receive €175 million in government support for its new battery operation, for example.

> Similarly, in June, the U.S. chipmaker Intel secured an eye-watering €10 billion subsidy for a massive new factory in the eastern city of Magdeburg. That translates into €3.3 million for each of the 3,000 jobs the company has pledged to create.

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