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Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding

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Re: Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding

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The vision for the v1 is spot on. There were some attempts to turn the open source ecosystem into a creator economy - they are so similar but…

The big BUT is that software needs to be maintained whereas a video once uploaded on YouTube doesn‘t need to be edited again.

I have a feeling that Birk and the Polar team have the right insights to build the right tools to serve the specific needs of open-source software maintainers.

Re: Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding

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The vision for the v1 is spot on. There were some attempts to turn the open source ecosystem into a creator economy - they are so similar but… The big BUT is that software needs to be maintained whereas a video once uploaded on YouTube doesn‘t need to be edited again. I have a feeling that Birk and the Polar team have the right insights to build the right tools to serve the specific needs of open-source software main…

Hey, Birk here (founder of Polar). Thank you so much @patrick91 for sharing our post here and thank you @mfts0 for the kind words.

Completely agree. I believe open source – as one of the largest and most important ecosystems in the world – is deserving of having a thriving "creator economy". Combined with it being a win-win for the users (businesses and individuals).

But such a platform needs to be bespoke for open source and its nuances vs. focused on content creation. It can't be a silver bullet solution either. All projects are different. So with Polar, we aim to build out a suite of all the possible value-add offerings, but allow maintainers to experiment, tweak and adapt to make it fit their initiatives and communities.

We have our work cut out for us. It's going to be insanely hard and fixing funding is the holy grail, but it's an important mission to pursue and I'm convinced a creator economy will form since current models are not beneficial to anyone. Just a matter of who & how. That's why I think it's crucial we're building it open source ourselves to truly build in public and serve maintainers through quick iterations and based on their needs, what's working etc. Fun times :-)

Re: Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding

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Definitely a problem that needs to be solved. And the current donation/patreon/coffee mechanism just doesn't work.

The problem is that I don't know if people/businesses are really willing to pay the actual cost of getting things done.

I'm not even sure people even appreciate the work that is involved in most of their requests - how many times have you looked at some commercial software and had the "could build that in a weekend" reaction.

My other concern is around expectations. I've always tried to be very clear with any donation type thing that it's a donation. There's no obligation created on my part to provide any services or support. Directly coupling payments to requests might turn this into much more of a "I paid you to do this, why isn't it done yet".

Re: Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding

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This may sound crazy, but I think the right model for open source funding is charging for updates. Red Hat has actually shown us the way. Developed world Ubuntu/Red Hat/SUSE users should pay $~20/year for access to all releases, $5 of which goes to the distro, $5 which goes to the base system/core utilities, and the rest should fund your particular OSS apps/frameworks/supporting apps running above the base layer.

Yes, obviously donation/sponsorship doesn't work, but I'm not sure pay per issue resolved is the best model either. Good apps shouldn't be punished for having few issues, or needing few features.

People should be able to opt in, but I think opting in at the distro level is the right choice as it would create a broad base of support. Of course, there will be those that don't want to pay, but I think a premium model for power users and enterprise customers makes sense. These premium users could have access to beta/nightly channels, early SRPMS/src debs, and priority or triaged issue/PR resolution?

Are there issues to be resolved? Yes, of course. How to divide payments to apps, and within app communities, but these aren't insurmountable problems. Canonical, etc., could simply set standards and require app communities to explain any variance from those standards.

Re: Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding

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I have had situations where i wanted to use an open source tool that was somewhat obscure and i would have paid $300-400 an hour for consulting from the maintainers/creators and could not get in contact with anyone. So if you create open source software i recommend posting a link to a consulting business with some minimum price that you are satisfied with, even if its something like $1k an hour.

Re: Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding

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This may sound crazy, but I think the right model for open source funding is charging for updates. Red Hat has actually shown us the way. Developed world Ubuntu/Red Hat/SUSE users should pay $~20/year for access to all releases, $5 of which goes to the distro, $5 which goes to the base system/core utilities, and the rest should fund your particular OSS apps/frameworks/supporting apps running above the base layer. Yes…

I have 0 doubt in my mind that it could cost 1 dollar and most people wouldn't pay.

Re: Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding

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So a VC-funded company expected to produce unicorn returns is going to accomplish this when non-profits haven't?

It doesn't seem logical but I hope someone can pull it off!

I would like to learn more about the background of the founders - what they've already done in any way related to this. Why does Polar have a chance?

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