OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
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Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#2> "By installing, copying or otherwise using ... you agree to be bound by ... "
Why do people keep writing shit like this. Whoever wrote that EULA no doubt has an understanding of contract law and knows that you can't just unilaterally bind someone into an agreement like that. I know it's classic EULA nonsense, but it still bugs me how you can just write whatever and hope people naively take your word on it.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#3Are they trying to push people towards NextCloud instead?
I've been running an OwnCloud instance at work for some years and more recently a NextCloud instance at home. I was thinking that NextCloud was going to be the eventual upgrade path away from OwnCloud, but with their "Infinite Scale" reworking of it, I thought that maybe they were looking to take the lead again. I don't know if our usage is considered "commercial" as we're self-hosting it and not re-selling usage of it, but it could be simpler to just migrate if they ever choose to get litigious about it.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#4The code is Apache 2.0 licensed though? Can they really add a limitation like this?
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#5Are they trying to push people towards NextCloud instead? I've been running an OwnCloud instance at work for some years and more recently a NextCloud instance at home. I was thinking that NextCloud was going to be the eventual upgrade path away from OwnCloud, but with their "Infinite Scale" reworking of it, I thought that maybe they were looking to take the lead again. I don't know if our usage is considered "commerc…
I think their intention is to forbid "selling it as a paid service" but I agree - the merest whiff of legal uncertainty is enough for most companies just to give it a wide berth.
At least AGPL etc are well understood. But bespoke licences - if I need to call a $500/hr lawyer to check if i can use your software then I'll probably just skip it.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#6The code is Apache 2.0 licensed though? Can they really add a limitation like this?
Almost certainly not. At the very least they now have two licences that contradict each other which would make it rather tricky for them to claim infringement. (IANL)
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#7This seems to only be about binary builds / 'stable releases'?
https://github.com/owncloud/ocis#end-user-license-agreement
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#8Are they trying to push people towards NextCloud instead? I've been running an OwnCloud instance at work for some years and more recently a NextCloud instance at home. I was thinking that NextCloud was going to be the eventual upgrade path away from OwnCloud, but with their "Infinite Scale" reworking of it, I thought that maybe they were looking to take the lead again. I don't know if our usage is considered "commerc…
I think their intention is to forbid "selling it as a paid service" but I agree - the merest whiff of legal uncertainty is enough for most companies just to give it a wide berth. At least AGPL etc are well understood. But bespoke licences - if I need to call a $500/hr lawyer to check if i can use your software then I'll probably just skip it.
> I think their intention is to forbid "selling it as a paid service"
That's my interpretation too. It puzzles me as surely companies providing it as a professional service would be far more likely to pay for support for the software.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#9> "By installing, copying or otherwise using ... you agree to be bound by ... " Why do people keep writing shit like this. Whoever wrote that EULA no doubt has an understanding of contract law and knows that you can't just unilaterally bind someone into an agreement like that. I know it's classic EULA nonsense, but it still bugs me how you can just write whatever and hope people naively take your word on it.
It should be disbarrable to knowingly write unenforceable EULA's.
Re: OwnCloud Infinite Scale added EULA that prohibits commercial use [pdf]
#10Are they trying to push people towards NextCloud instead? I've been running an OwnCloud instance at work for some years and more recently a NextCloud instance at home. I was thinking that NextCloud was going to be the eventual upgrade path away from OwnCloud, but with their "Infinite Scale" reworking of it, I thought that maybe they were looking to take the lead again. I don't know if our usage is considered "commerc…
I think their intention is to forbid "selling it as a paid service" but I agree - the merest whiff of legal uncertainty is enough for most companies just to give it a wide berth. At least AGPL etc are well understood. But bespoke licences - if I need to call a $500/hr lawyer to check if i can use your software then I'll probably just skip it.
> At least AGPL etc are well understood
Is AGPL well understood? I thought people were still arguing whether you have to open source your whole company if you dare change a single line of AGPL code.