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Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Another link:

https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-...

> The Council reached an agreement on 21 June 2023 on the much-needed European Media Freedom Act, a legislation proposed by the European Commission on 16 September 2022 with the intention to introduce safeguards against political interference, media concentration, and to protect journalists and their sources against surveillance. Since then, the IFJ and EFJ have been advocating for strong and effective regulation to respond to the numerous threats posed to media freedom in the EU.

> However, earlier this month, France introduced a new exception to the general ban on deploying spyware against journalists. It reads that the provisions on effective protection of journalistic sources “is without prejudice to the Member States’ responsibility for safeguarding national security”.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Another link: https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-... > The Council reached an agreement on 21 June 2023 on the much-needed European Media Freedom Act, a legislation proposed by the European Commission on 16 September 2022 with the intention to introduce safeguards against political interference, media concentration, and to protect journalists and their sources against surveillance. Since then…

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Another link: https://www.ifj.org/media-centre/news/detail/category/press-... > The Council reached an agreement on 21 June 2023 on the much-needed European Media Freedom Act, a legislation proposed by the European Commission on 16 September 2022 with the intention to introduce safeguards against political interference, media concentration, and to protect journalists and their sources against surveillance. Since then…

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

You might want to actually go and read a few things about how they differ before making such uninformed statements.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

You might want to actually go and read a few things about how they differ before making such uninformed statements.

Uninformed statements aren't necessarily idiotic, and even if they were, we don't need to call it as such to express disagreement.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to actually go and read a few things about how they differ before making such uninformed statements.

Uninformed statements aren't necessarily idiotic, and even if they were, we don't need to call it as such to express disagreement.

This is very much civility for the sake of civility which is not without problems but is the culture here. Editing the post to remove the word idiotic and replace with uninformed.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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There was a recent case in the Netherlands were a lawyer used his client privilege to help a drug dealer run his empire. edit: From a maximum security prison. It was hilarious.

If you want to do spying you don't exclude anyone or it's pointless. Journalist is a great cover for spies- ask the CIA.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the West is so hellbent on cracking down on everything we allegedly stand for (democracy, free press, free speech, etc) all that other fun illusionary stuff) why not skip the war with China and Russia and just settle with what we have and shake hands with them ?

You might want to actually go and read a few things about how they differ before making such uninformed statements.

There are people who know them from reality, not from some book sponsored by the CIA.

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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There was a recent case in the Netherlands were a lawyer used his client privilege to help a drug dealer run his empire. edit: From a maximum security prison. It was hilarious. If you want to do spying you don't exclude anyone or it's pointless. Journalist is a great cover for spies- ask the CIA.

Sometimes, you just need to allow those holes to be there, even though it means putting in extra effort to catch the bad actors in a different way.

Otherwise, what's the point of having journalists around that try to uncover corruption of government / military / security services?

Re: Spyware in Europe: EU to allow intrusive surveillance of journalists

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There was a recent case in the Netherlands were a lawyer used his client privilege to help a drug dealer run his empire. edit: From a maximum security prison. It was hilarious. If you want to do spying you don't exclude anyone or it's pointless. Journalist is a great cover for spies- ask the CIA.

There's no way to prosecute the drug war and maintain civil liberties. I choose civil liberties and the drug war can go to hell.
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