Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack
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#3Actual Title: "Wagner chief accuses Russia’s military of attack and says ‘evil’ leadership must be stopped"
Reaction: Zzz. It's yet more belligerent squabbling between the same old Russian military leaders/organizations - who are all very obviously beholden to Putin. That's been going on for a year or more now. It both helps Putin look good, and helps keep in securely in power. Hardly news, and hardly worth a skim.
Re: Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack
#4Actual Title: "Wagner chief accuses Russia’s military of attack and says ‘evil’ leadership must be stopped" Reaction: Zzz. It's yet more belligerent squabbling between the same old Russian military leaders/organizations - who are all very obviously beholden to Putin. That's been going on for a year or more now. It both helps Putin look good, and helps keep in securely in power. Hardly news, and hardly worth a skim.
Here's the title I see: "Russia’s security service investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’"
Re: Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack
#5Actual Title: "Wagner chief accuses Russia’s military of attack and says ‘evil’ leadership must be stopped" Reaction: Zzz. It's yet more belligerent squabbling between the same old Russian military leaders/organizations - who are all very obviously beholden to Putin. That's been going on for a year or more now. It both helps Putin look good, and helps keep in securely in power. Hardly news, and hardly worth a skim.
This is definitely different. The FSB is involved and Putin is speaking. Prigozhin has stepped over the line and is being brought to heel. Looks like he is going down swinging. Doesn't seem like a wise decision on his part as he doesn't seem to hold many cards.
Re: Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack
#6Actual Title: "Wagner chief accuses Russia’s military of attack and says ‘evil’ leadership must be stopped" Reaction: Zzz. It's yet more belligerent squabbling between the same old Russian military leaders/organizations - who are all very obviously beholden to Putin. That's been going on for a year or more now. It both helps Putin look good, and helps keep in securely in power. Hardly news, and hardly worth a skim.
Here's the title I see: "Russia’s security service investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’"
(Ditto for me, now. Previous title is still in the URL.)
Re: Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack
#7Actual Title: "Wagner chief accuses Russia’s military of attack and says ‘evil’ leadership must be stopped" Reaction: Zzz. It's yet more belligerent squabbling between the same old Russian military leaders/organizations - who are all very obviously beholden to Putin. That's been going on for a year or more now. It both helps Putin look good, and helps keep in securely in power. Hardly news, and hardly worth a skim.
This is definitely different. The FSB is involved and Putin is speaking. Prigozhin has stepped over the line and is being brought to heel. Looks like he is going down swinging. Doesn't seem like a wise decision on his part as he doesn't seem to hold many cards.
It’s hard to be sure, but to me, this indeed is a step up from what happened before.
The BBC also is fairly clear, saying (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66005256):
“Wagner mercenary boss says Russia bombed his troops”
“In a statement, the Russian defence ministry said that "all reports by Prigozhin spread on social media" of Russian strikes on Wagner camps were "not true and are an information provocation".
Russian state media also reports that the FSB, Russia's security services, have opened a criminal case against Prigozhin, accusing him of "calling for an armed rebellion".
The Wagner Group is a paramilitary organisation that has been fighting alongside Russian forces in Ukraine. In recent months, Prigozhin has become increasingly vocal in his criticism of Russia's military leadership.
In an audio message posted to the social media platform Telegram, he said "the evil which the Russian military leadership carries must be stopped". "Those who killed our lads, and tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers [in the war in Ukraine] will be punished," he said.
"I ask you not to resist. Anyone who does will be considered a threat and destroyed. That goes for any checkpoints and aviation on our way. "Presidential power, the government, the police and Russian guard will work as usual.
"This is not a military coup, but a march of justice, our actions do not interfere with the troops in any way."”
Re: Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack
#8A man with a private army on campaign is clashing with ineffective and humiliated political leadership back home, while trying to win popular support?
When does he cross the Rubicon?
Re: Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack
#9Actual Title: "Wagner chief accuses Russia’s military of attack and says ‘evil’ leadership must be stopped" Reaction: Zzz. It's yet more belligerent squabbling between the same old Russian military leaders/organizations - who are all very obviously beholden to Putin. That's been going on for a year or more now. It both helps Putin look good, and helps keep in securely in power. Hardly news, and hardly worth a skim.
> who are all very obviously beholden to Putin
Wrong.
Re: Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack
#10Actual Title: "Wagner chief accuses Russia’s military of attack and says ‘evil’ leadership must be stopped" Reaction: Zzz. It's yet more belligerent squabbling between the same old Russian military leaders/organizations - who are all very obviously beholden to Putin. That's been going on for a year or more now. It both helps Putin look good, and helps keep in securely in power. Hardly news, and hardly worth a skim.
This is definitely different. The FSB is involved and Putin is speaking. Prigozhin has stepped over the line and is being brought to heel. Looks like he is going down swinging. Doesn't seem like a wise decision on his part as he doesn't seem to hold many cards.
I'd give no more than maybe a bit different. The FSB opening "a criminal case for armed mutiny" sounds cool, but is certainly not what would happen early in any actual armed mutiny or civil war. (Actual military forces would have to violently put down the uprising first, no?)
Note late in the article:
> While the warlord was careful not to directly attack the Russian president...
...yeah. If he can barely bring himself to speak unflattering words about a few minor decisions by Putin - that sure-as-bleep does not qualify as an "armed mutiny". Let alone a "civil war".