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Covid-19 vaccination-related myocarditis: A Korean nationwide study

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

I skimmed through the study, but didn't read the whole thing. It appears that they called it vaccine related if it happened within 42 days of being vaccinated. What would the normal incidence be for unvaccinated people in a typical 42 day period? And what is the incidence for people who get infected with covid? Without those to compare with its hard to know what to think about these numbers.

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Post by rashkov »

ex3ndr wrote: post #2

20% of myocarditis ended up in deaths and heart transplantation. Young males 12-17 seems to be more affected.

Yes, with 5.29 cases of myocarditis for males aged 12-17 per 100,000 people. I think that number is good to include for context

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Post by 18744916 »

It looks like this is part of a growing body of evidence that suggests that the risks outweigh the benefits of vaccination for young people.

It's also worth noting that the incidence of post-vaccination myocarditis (from this study; 1.08 per 100k people) is significantly lower than the 2014 rate of myocarditis: 8.6 per 100k people [1]. Additionally, the risk of myocarditis from a covid infection is signfiicantly higher than the risk of myocarditis from the covid vaccine.

That being said, especially since the danger of covid is much less for young people, and the risk of the covid vaccine causing myocarditis is much higher for them, there's a growing push to stop vaccinating young people against covid. I think the CDC continues to quash its credibility by trying to sweep this under the rug, rather than presenting the facts--that there is risk, and there's a cost-benefit analysis.

[1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-05951-z [2]: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.... [3]: https://openheart.bmj.com/content/9/1/e001957

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Post by iinnPP »

rashkov wrote: post #5
ex3ndr wrote: post #2

20% of myocarditis ended up in deaths and heart transplantation. Young males 12-17 seems to be more affected.

Yes, with 5.29 cases of myocarditis for males aged 12-17 per 100,000 people. I think that number is good to include for context

Ah the nuthingbargar that inevitably follows the evidence of being wrong. Does the entire population have BPD?

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Post by generalizations »

zug_zug wrote: post #4

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> neutral non-human mediator

There's actually been a lot of discussion on hn around whether or not the safety controls constitute a fairly strong bias.

“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” - Frank Herbert

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Post by zug_zug »

generalizations wrote: post #9
zug_zug wrote: post #4

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> neutral non-human mediator There's actually been a lot of discussion on hn around whether or not the safety controls constitute a fairly strong bias. “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” - Frank Herbert

Eh, if you seriously believe this you can ask it the same question but change "vaccine" to something else and see if that changes the math.
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