How Wall Street takes advantage of very confused Ivy League graduates
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How Wall Street takes advantage of very confused Ivy League graduates
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#2You have your life before you. You can do anything you want. Instead they lure them in with the six-figure salaries.
In fact I have made it my life mission to do something about it, because I feel that if we cut out the lifeblood (the new recruits) of "the system" then it will crumble.
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#3The article makes it sound as if Wall Street is preying on or exploiting hapless, vulnerable graduates. Isn't it possible though that many Ivy Leaguers take these jobs because they pay well, are high status, and don't foreclose future career options. And if that's true, it sounds more like a reasonable exchange rather than a predatory relationship.
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#4I worked in finance (as a proprietary trader) for 6-ish years, including several years as a VP at Deutsche Bank.
As the article says:
"What Wall Street figured out is that colleges are producing a large number of very smart, completely confused graduates. Kids who have ample mental horsepower, an incredible work ethic and no idea what to do next."
I call these folks "try-hards". These folks have knocked down goal after goal for their whole life, and they are damn good at it. The field of possibility has been constrained by their parents and their social milieu for years to reveal a very small set of viable goals at any given time. And they are talented, motivated, and absolutely crush anything in their way.
In college, these folks need to develop their own superego and internalize their own constraint set. The low-hanging fruit is right there to grab: finance, consulting, law, medicine. Each of these is prestigious, pays well, and has a relatively deterministic process by which one can enter, grow in responsibility, demonstrate achievement, and increase their pay. It's a no-brainer.
The paradox of choice is one of the great anxiety-producers of our age for the professional set. Honestly, it must be refreshing to have such a strong set of constraints guiding you toward such a bounded set of outcomes.
This is something that people like me[1] have a hard time understanding: for the try-hard, this outcome is not something to be fought or to be overly questioned--it's the inevitable, desirable continuation of a lifetime worth of achievement.
[1] - A hacker from a lower-class background who did not ride the academic achievement path
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#5This article jibes with my analysis. I worked in finance (as a proprietary trader) for 6-ish years, including several years as a VP at Deutsche Bank. As the article says: "What Wall Street figured out is that colleges are producing a large number of very smart, completely confused graduates. Kids who have ample mental horsepower, an incredible work ethic and no idea what to do next." I call these folks "try-hards". T…
Very interesting. So how did you get to be a wall street trader,( without the academic credentials)?
Re: How Wall Street takes advantage of very confused Ivy League graduates
#6This article jibes with my analysis. I worked in finance (as a proprietary trader) for 6-ish years, including several years as a VP at Deutsche Bank. As the article says: "What Wall Street figured out is that colleges are producing a large number of very smart, completely confused graduates. Kids who have ample mental horsepower, an incredible work ethic and no idea what to do next." I call these folks "try-hards". T…
"I worked in finance (as a proprietary trader) for 6-ish years, including several years as a VP at Deutsche Bank. - (I am a) hacker from a lower-class background who did not ride the academic achievement path" Very interesting. So how did you get to be a wall street trader,( without the academic credentials)?
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#7Seeing my analytically minded friends (physicists and mathematicians) go into banking and finance really pisses me off. I really hate the "it is just a job" mentality. You have your life before you. You can do anything you want. Instead they lure them in with the six-figure salaries. In fact I have made it my life mission to do something about it, because I feel that if we cut out the lifeblood (the new recruits) of…
Re: How Wall Street takes advantage of very confused Ivy League graduates
#8This article jibes with my analysis. I worked in finance (as a proprietary trader) for 6-ish years, including several years as a VP at Deutsche Bank. As the article says: "What Wall Street figured out is that colleges are producing a large number of very smart, completely confused graduates. Kids who have ample mental horsepower, an incredible work ethic and no idea what to do next." I call these folks "try-hards". T…
"I worked in finance (as a proprietary trader) for 6-ish years, including several years as a VP at Deutsche Bank. - (I am a) hacker from a lower-class background who did not ride the academic achievement path" Very interesting. So how did you get to be a wall street trader,( without the academic credentials)?
I had an easier time getting interviews on Wall Street than in Silicon Valley. (but the Wall Street interviews were harder)
Re: How Wall Street takes advantage of very confused Ivy League graduates
#9Not knowing what to do next =/= confused. The article makes it sound as if Wall Street is preying on or exploiting hapless, vulnerable graduates. Isn't it possible though that many Ivy Leaguers take these jobs because they pay well, are high status, and don't foreclose future career options. And if that's true, it sounds more like a reasonable exchange rather than a predatory relationship.
I'm not interested in a job -- jobs for me are created by the CIA and meant to torture me, plus there's insanity on top of that.
I talk to God. Makes sense that entertaining God might be the purpose of life, when you can't be normal.
Write hymns, do comics, talk continually. It's not so bad, but you don't get the satisfaction of winning at competition or making progress on some task. It's nice though.
Love is taking delight in God. It can be like spending time with your girlfriend -- kinda takes work to carry-on conversation and be thoughtful in return.
God says... C:\LoseThos\www.losethos.com\text\BIBLE.TXT
with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
34:8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.
34:11 But the
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#10What I have a problem with is that Wall Street has already proven it doesn't provide as much value as it warrants (20% of GDP or so)... but we artificially pump it back up by bailing out firms. The fall was going to happen, but the government interfered with things, which irritates me.
It's like spending hours and hours climbing a mountain, then when you reach the top, a deity increases the mountain twice as high to piss you off.. What the hell?