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Dartium: Google’s New Dart Programming Language Comes to Chromium

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Re: Dartium: Google’s New Dart Programming Language Comes to Chromium

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Post by ConstantineXVI »

I hope Google isn't going to solely rely on Chrome having a Dart VM to increase Dart performance. As it stands; no other browser is interested in the Dart VM, so your app will only benefit from the speed in Chrome while other browsers are at the mercy of the efficiency of the Dart->JS compiler. If the compiler can produce near-JS performance I wish them and Dart developers well, otherwise using Dart will only handicap you in other browsers. Chrome has a respectable market share on the desktop, but mobile will be dominated by Safari and Android's stock browsers for at least another year (Chrome-Android is ICS only); thus you're at a complete disadvantage on mobile.

Re: Dartium: Google’s New Dart Programming Language Comes to Chromium

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Post by mistercow »

sek wrote: post #3
mistercow wrote: post #2

I wish Google would just embrace CoffeeScript instead of this. It's a prettier language, and already solves many of the problems Dart is concerned with.

The primary goal of dart is speed.

If you look at the stated design goals for Dart:

http://www.dartlang.org/docs/technical-overview/index.html#g...

Performance is a design goal, but it is not given as the primary goal.

Of course, a cynical observer might say that the real primary goal of Dart is to give Chrome an artificial performance advantage over competing browsers, since that will be, at the very least, an initial effect if Google succeeds in promoting its adoption.

Re: Dartium: Google’s New Dart Programming Language Comes to Chromium

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Post by slewis »

mistercow wrote: post #5
sek wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary goal of dart is speed.

If you look at the stated design goals for Dart: http://www.dartlang.org/docs/technical-overview/index.html#g... Performance is a design goal, but it is not given as the primary goal. Of course, a cynical observer might say that the real primary goal of Dart is to give Chrome an artificial performance advantage over competing browsers, since that will be, at the very least, an initial effect if Google succeeds in pro…

Google doesn't care if Chrome is perceived as faster. They want the entire web to be faster. They use Chrome to push the envelope.

Re: Dartium: Google’s New Dart Programming Language Comes to Chromium

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Post by swannodette »

mistercow wrote: post #2

I wish Google would just embrace CoffeeScript instead of this. It's a prettier language, and already solves many of the problems Dart is concerned with.

While I don't think Dart is the most interesting language I've seen (optional types and mirrors aside), CoffeeScript doesn't try to solve any of the problems that Dart is attempting to address.

Re: Dartium: Google’s New Dart Programming Language Comes to Chromium

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Post by espeed »

ConstantineXVI wrote: post #4

I hope Google isn't going to solely rely on Chrome having a Dart VM to increase Dart performance. As it stands; no other browser is interested in the Dart VM, so your app will only benefit from the speed in Chrome while other browsers are at the mercy of the efficiency of the Dart->JS compiler. If the compiler can produce near-JS performance I wish them and Dart developers well, otherwise using Dart will only handica…

I wonder if Google had Firefox-Dart support in mind when they put together the deal to pay Firefox $1 billion over the next three years (http://venturebeat.com/2011/12/22/google-firefox-deal/).

Re: Dartium: Google’s New Dart Programming Language Comes to Chromium

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Post by afsina »

I for one welcome Dartium. I need to learn the language and JS compilation was an unnecessary barrier. I care less about people's whining.

A language that does not suck? Check. Is it multi platform? Check. Can it work in other browsers if necessary? Check. Is it open source? check. Can it run in server? Check. Is it fast? Check.

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