Protocol Wars

#1

Post by dcminter » Wed, May 10, 2023, 8:26 AM UTC

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Post by moomin » Thu, May 11, 2023, 7:37 AM UTC

This was still raging when I was a student. From my recollection I _heard_ a lot more about OSI, but everything I used had something proprietary (e.g. NetWare, Token Ring) or TCP/IP.

The people supporting TCP/IP had a head start and out-executed the OSI committees and it wasn’t even funny.

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Post by samwillis » Thu, May 11, 2023, 7:44 AM UTC

TCP/IP is so entrenched in everything, literally, it will still be in use when we leave this planet and it gets swallowed up by the sun. The news will report the destruction of Earth and explain that it and its inhabitants longest lasting legacy is TCP/IP, then report that the transition to IPv6 is going well and everyone will be on it soon...

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Post by pr337h4m » Thu, May 11, 2023, 7:51 AM UTC

Related: https://gwern.net/holy-war

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Post by PinguTS » Thu, May 11, 2023, 8:00 AM UTC

… and today we are going to try to fit Ethernet, TCP/IP, and so on onto the OSI reference model.

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Post by _aaed » Thu, May 11, 2023, 8:06 AM UTC

Related Krazam video: https://youtu.be/NAkAMDeo_NM

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#7

Post by commandersaki » Thu, May 11, 2023, 8:15 AM UTC

I really wish we used more technologies coming out of DEC. Only now are we getting stuff like ECN. But I would have really liked to see TUBA be IPv6.

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Post by vmfunction » Thu, May 11, 2023, 8:16 AM UTC

samwillis wrote: post #3

TCP/IP is so entrenched in everything, literally, it will still be in use when we leave this planet and it gets swallowed up by the sun. The news will report the destruction of Earth and explain that it and its inhabitants longest lasting legacy is TCP/IP, then report that the transition to IPv6 is going well and everyone will be on it soon...

The fact that it takes so long to transition to IPv6 and like many other obstruction to technological/social progress are economic and business gain for a certain small group of people and organisations.

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Post by nine_k » Thu, May 11, 2023, 8:24 AM UTC

commandersaki wrote: post #7

I really wish we used more technologies coming out of DEC. Only now are we getting stuff like ECN. But I would have really liked to see TUBA be IPv6.

At least we have Windows NT, the spiritual successor to VMS! (Only deep inside, of course.)

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Post by nine_k » Thu, May 11, 2023, 8:27 AM UTC

vmfunction wrote: post #8

samwillis wrote: post #3

TCP/IP is so entrenched in everything, literally, it will still be in use when we leave this planet and it gets swallowed up by the sun. The news will report the destruction of Earth and explain that it and its inhabitants longest lasting legacy is TCP/IP, then report that the transition to IPv6 is going well and everyone will be on it soon...

The fact that it takes so long to transition to IPv6 and like many other obstruction to technological/social progress are economic and business gain for a certain small group of people and organisations.

It's just plain cost. Reworking things takes engineering time, an engineers need to be paid.

If I were to list impediments to the technical development of the Internet, local telco monopolies would be much higher in the list, but it's another kettle of fish.