EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
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Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#2Insanity
Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#3So, they are putting their farmers out of business to meet climate goals?
Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#4> Justifying the move earlier this year, Christianne van der Wal, minister of nature and nitrogen policy, said that the Netherlands had to cut nitrogen emissions from farms to build new housing and produce green energy.
Closing farms to build more housing seems backwards. Where will the food to feed the people in that new housing come from? Per square meter, the total nitrogen/CO2 impact of a house+inhabitants is certainly bigger than that of a farm, if one considers energy and food use.
Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#5> Justifying the move earlier this year, Christianne van der Wal, minister of nature and nitrogen policy, said that the Netherlands had to cut nitrogen emissions from farms to build new housing and produce green energy. Closing farms to build more housing seems backwards. Where will the food to feed the people in that new housing come from? Per square meter, the total nitrogen/CO2 impact of a house+inhabitants is cer…
The Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world. And we are a small nation.
Farms account for over half of all nitrogen emissions though. We need to make some sacrifes. Just like we did in all other sectors already.
At the moment highway speeds have been lowered nationwide, building permits can't be given out and more. This is crippling a lot of sectors right now.
Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#6> Justifying the move earlier this year, Christianne van der Wal, minister of nature and nitrogen policy, said that the Netherlands had to cut nitrogen emissions from farms to build new housing and produce green energy. Closing farms to build more housing seems backwards. Where will the food to feed the people in that new housing come from? Per square meter, the total nitrogen/CO2 impact of a house+inhabitants is cer…
The Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world. And we are a small nation. Farms account for over half of all nitrogen emissions though. We need to make some sacrifes. Just like we did in all other sectors already. At the moment highway speeds have been lowered nationwide, building permits can't be given out and more. This is crippling a lot of sectors right now.
Does anyone have any accurate numbers for emissions of various sectors?
Seems like the energy sector is by far the biggest problem:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1288181/greenhouse-gas-e...
On an absolute scale, they rank 33rd in the world on emissions.
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...
Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world. And we are a small nation. Farms account for over half of all nitrogen emissions though. We need to make some sacrifes. Just like we did in all other sectors already. At the moment highway speeds have been lowered nationwide, building permits can't be given out and more. This is crippling a lot of sectors right now.
Does anyone have any accurate numbers for emissions of various sectors? Seems like the energy sector is by far the biggest problem: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1288181/greenhouse-gas-e... On an absolute scale, they rank 33rd in the world on emissions. https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...
Overall industry is just single digits percentage of the total nitrogen problem: https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/dossier/dossier-stikstof/stikstofde.... But yeah Schengen apparently also applies to nitrogen.
Agriculture 44.6% Foreign 31.7% Traffic 11.9% Industry & buildings 8.7% Ammonia from sea 3.0%
Also note that this is separate from greenhouse emissions, the nitrogen reduction is needed to allow our nature to recover from decennia of neglect. There was a recent study showing that over 50% of our nature is in bad/poor condition, amongst the worst across the EU.
In 2019 an important ruling was made against the governmental policy to deal with nitrogen. This policy is what allowed highway speeds to increase from 120 kmh to 130 kmh, residential buildings to be build and overall industry to continue. Since 2019 several additional rulings have been made that put everything on hold. For every activity that impacts nature in a negative way, the nitrogen deposits need to be offset.
Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#8> Justifying the move earlier this year, Christianne van der Wal, minister of nature and nitrogen policy, said that the Netherlands had to cut nitrogen emissions from farms to build new housing and produce green energy. Closing farms to build more housing seems backwards. Where will the food to feed the people in that new housing come from? Per square meter, the total nitrogen/CO2 impact of a house+inhabitants is cer…
The Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world. And we are a small nation. Farms account for over half of all nitrogen emissions though. We need to make some sacrifes. Just like we did in all other sectors already. At the moment highway speeds have been lowered nationwide, building permits can't be given out and more. This is crippling a lot of sectors right now.
> The Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world.
Irrelevant. People and housing are bigger net burdens on the environment than farms. Their location relative to human political boundaries doesn't change that. They certainly take that into account when calculating e.g. consumption-based CO2 emissions: https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2
Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#9> Justifying the move earlier this year, Christianne van der Wal, minister of nature and nitrogen policy, said that the Netherlands had to cut nitrogen emissions from farms to build new housing and produce green energy. Closing farms to build more housing seems backwards. Where will the food to feed the people in that new housing come from? Per square meter, the total nitrogen/CO2 impact of a house+inhabitants is cer…
The Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world. And we are a small nation. Farms account for over half of all nitrogen emissions though. We need to make some sacrifes. Just like we did in all other sectors already. At the moment highway speeds have been lowered nationwide, building permits can't be given out and more. This is crippling a lot of sectors right now.
That sounds so short-sighted.
Food is arguably the second most crucial resource on earth next to fresh water for humans to exist, and the country is choosing to kneecap food production instead of developing new farming technologies to limit nitrogen emissions?
It doesn't seem like the "sacrifice" that our political elites are choosing to make is worth it. Seems like we're setting up future generations (or sooner, our generations) on the path to starvation.
Re: EU approves controversial Dutch farm buy-out plan to meet climate goals
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world. And we are a small nation. Farms account for over half of all nitrogen emissions though. We need to make some sacrifes. Just like we did in all other sectors already. At the moment highway speeds have been lowered nationwide, building permits can't be given out and more. This is crippling a lot of sectors right now.
> The Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world. Irrelevant. People and housing are bigger net burdens on the environment than farms. Their location relative to human political boundaries doesn't change that. They certainly take that into account when calculating e.g. consumption-based CO2 emissions: https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2
So what are you suggesting exactly, that the Dutch ban having children and expand their farms on the reclaimed residential land?
Keep in mind that they are severely bottlenecked by land, so they can't do both.