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Cops, firefighters bewildered as driverless cars behave badly

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Re: Cops, firefighters bewildered as driverless cars behave badly

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Human lives are at stake and all Cruise can recommend is "call the hotline and we'll send someone out to move the vehicle" otherwise you're cutting it open.

Can they guarantee someone will be out there in minutes or hours? I hope firefighters just adopt a standard of "If we see a cruise vehicle heading towards an active call, smash the windshield and ask questions later."

Can Cruise not tap into some system that first responders use? Say a fire call is on the corner of X and Y - can their cars just flat-out refuse to go within a 2-3 block radius of a passengers destination due to an emergency call? Seems like a good compromise if there isn't a faster way to commandeer the vehicle, especially if lives are at risk.

It doesn't help the cases where the cars just stop and refuse to move for emergency service vehicles actively responding to a call though.

I will loathe the day that these self-driving cars start to show up where I live - thankfully the weather and the chronic trashy road conditions will ward them off for hopefully another decade.

It was cathartic watching the Cruise vehicle getting chopped into pieces from the video another poster linked in the comments.

Re: Cops, firefighters bewildered as driverless cars behave badly

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Non-US solution - give emergency services the ability to override self-driving vehicles US solution - equip all emergency services with anti-materiel rifles

> US solution - equip all emergency services with anti-materiel rifles

Yes.

Re: Cops, firefighters bewildered as driverless cars behave badly

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Human lives are at stake and all Cruise can recommend is "call the hotline and we'll send someone out to move the vehicle" otherwise you're cutting it open. Can they guarantee someone will be out there in minutes or hours? I hope firefighters just adopt a standard of "If we see a cruise vehicle heading towards an active call, smash the windshield and ask questions later." Can Cruise not tap into some system that firs…

As a first responder, there are dispatch systems that can forward data like that to outside systems. The issue is that the dispatch systems aren't unified - in Kansas, for example, every county has it's own dispatch system set up it's own way, not tied to the others.

Re: Cops, firefighters bewildered as driverless cars behave badly

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Non-US solution - give emergency services the ability to override self-driving vehicles US solution - equip all emergency services with anti-materiel rifles

> US solution - equip all emergency services with anti-materiel rifles Yes.

Or how about some sort of "bang sticks" that flatten tires.

Re: Cops, firefighters bewildered as driverless cars behave badly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US solution - equip all emergency services with anti-materiel rifles Yes.

Or how about some sort of "bang sticks" that flatten tires.

You can flatten a tire with an anti material rifle.

Re: Cops, firefighters bewildered as driverless cars behave badly

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Human lives are at stake and all Cruise can recommend is "call the hotline and we'll send someone out to move the vehicle" otherwise you're cutting it open. Can they guarantee someone will be out there in minutes or hours? I hope firefighters just adopt a standard of "If we see a cruise vehicle heading towards an active call, smash the windshield and ask questions later." Can Cruise not tap into some system that firs…

Wouldn't police/fire/emergency no-go areas be a goldmine of intel for bad actors too?

Re: Cops, firefighters bewildered as driverless cars behave badly

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post #4

Human lives are at stake and all Cruise can recommend is "call the hotline and we'll send someone out to move the vehicle" otherwise you're cutting it open. Can they guarantee someone will be out there in minutes or hours? I hope firefighters just adopt a standard of "If we see a cruise vehicle heading towards an active call, smash the windshield and ask questions later." Can Cruise not tap into some system that firs…

Wouldn't police/fire/emergency no-go areas be a goldmine of intel for bad actors too?

You wouldn't necessarily make it (easily) publically available.

When someone dials 999 in the UK, the call goes to the 999 handling centre where it's directed on to the appropriate agency (Police, Fire and Rescue, Ambulance, Coastguard etc - often one will pick it up and then bring the rest). Both the 999 receiving centre and the agency that the call is handed off to get the location of the caller, but only if it came in via a 999 line, got handed over via a "999 to agency" line, and then over a special dedicated connection that you most definitely do not have.

I'd expect that for something like self-driving cars it'd use the opposite of "Greenwave" which will adjust green light timings on routes to suit emergency vehicles. I know that city buses where I used to live also had Greenwave and would update their control room with their GPS position, which would then "nudge" traffic light timing to speed them up or slow them down so they ran to schedule.

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