A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”
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Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”
#2Stuff like this is why I refuse to return back to office. There is some sort of relationship play between "nice guys" and managers. Both of them are refusing to do their work, "nice guy" to complete his work and manager to manage. And somehow I am part of this, and have to work extra weekends!
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#3I don’t understand how this is an issue that needs anxiety.
Fire them. I’ve been this person early in my life, and deserved to be fired.
Incompetent but nice is still, literally, incompetent. Incompetent people get dismissed.
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#4I don’t understand how this is an issue that needs anxiety. Fire them. I’ve been this person early in my life, and deserved to be fired. Incompetent but nice is still, literally, incompetent. Incompetent people get dismissed.
> I don’t understand how this is an issue that needs anxiety.
Empathy. Some people have more of it than others.
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#5I don’t understand how this is an issue that needs anxiety. Fire them. I’ve been this person early in my life, and deserved to be fired. Incompetent but nice is still, literally, incompetent. Incompetent people get dismissed.
The article has a clickbait title: It uses the word "incompetent" when it should have said "underperforming". There are may reasons an employee is not performing and the article discusses a few of them. Sometimes it is right to fire the person, sometimes another approach might be better. It's as nuanced as the reasons.
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#6I don’t understand how this is an issue that needs anxiety. Fire them. I’ve been this person early in my life, and deserved to be fired. Incompetent but nice is still, literally, incompetent. Incompetent people get dismissed.
> I don’t understand how this is an issue that needs anxiety. Empathy. Some people have more of it than others.
Sure. But how does worry help you or the person who is going to get fired? The manager goes through months of stress avoiding the thing they need to do (bad for their health), while the bad fit engineer gets strung along.
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#7Stuff like this is why I refuse to return back to office. There is some sort of relationship play between "nice guys" and managers. Both of them are refusing to do their work, "nice guy" to complete his work and manager to manage. And somehow I am part of this, and have to work extra weekends!
> somehow I am part of this, and have to work extra weekends
Most engineers are not expected to work weekends unless they are on call. You don't have to put up with it.
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#8I don’t understand how this is an issue that needs anxiety. Fire them. I’ve been this person early in my life, and deserved to be fired. Incompetent but nice is still, literally, incompetent. Incompetent people get dismissed.
Firing someone in the case of underperformance (particularly outside of the US) is rarely a straightforward process.
You typically need to give the under-performing employee at least a chance to improve and meet the required standard - otherwise the hiring company will be leaving themselves open to a wrongful dismissal suit.
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#9I like the nice vs kind distinction. By being nice to someone who is underperforming (by keeping them onboard), you're being unkind to those that are performing but have to pick up the slack or watch the team's progress fall behind.
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#10ADHD is probably the problem under this behaviour.
Can’t complete tasks and underperform but want to help other, be part of the team. People with ADHD have developed coping behaviour to fit in but have very low control on their executive functions, they can’t keep working on something that doesn’t catch their attention. It’s very hard to understand for someone who don’t have the problem "why can’t they just do it!"
When the job is new, the team is new it’s all very interesting but as routine and boredom set in the get unable to stay on the task. They hate themselves for not doing what they should do and want to do the right thing but are unable. It’s very stressful and often lead to burnout.
Medication help, so is meditation, omega-3, better/more sleep, exercice and jobs that have movement and a lot of change and creativity.