Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
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Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#2He’s a Arch + WM user who loves to tinker. If that is you, then you’ll agree with his take. If you just want to get stuff done without tweaking your OS and without supporting Microsoft or Apple or Google and whatever BS they’re doing these days, then Gnome and Wayland are a godsend.
Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#3His points, paraphrased by me:
* Gnome 2 had a lot of themes but since then, there aren't that many.
* Compiz fun is gone.
* Wayland limits the number of supported desktops.
* The desktop is more complicated and it's harder to tinker.
* He believes that customisability (should) set FOSS apart from proprietary software.
Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#4The problem isn't that GTK3x is hard to use, It's that its simply not capable of creating beautiful UI's like GTK2x could. It can't create any tool bars without making them thick and huge, even DE's like xfce that try to maintain that old gtk2x look and feel can't do it anymore because of this.
Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#5His points, paraphrased by me: * Gnome 2 had a lot of themes but since then, there aren't that many. * Compiz fun is gone. * Wayland limits the number of supported desktops. * The desktop is more complicated and it's harder to tinker. * He believes that customisability (should) set FOSS apart from proprietary software.
I would get his argument if say there was just Ubuntu, and Gnome was the only desktop in town, but it isn't. You have XFCE, LXDE, KDE, and not to mention the litany of window managers out there that either run a standalone desktop or on top of another desktop. I occasionally look over on /r/unixporn and see some of the crazy wm configs people have put together.
And if you just like the good ol' days of gnome 2 then go install mate (Gnome 2 fork) or trinity (KDE 3.5 fork)
Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#6He’s a Arch + WM user who loves to tinker. If that is you, then you’ll agree with his take. If you just want to get stuff done without tweaking your OS and without supporting Microsoft or Apple or Google and whatever BS they’re doing these days, then Gnome and Wayland are a godsend.
Even with GNOME I end up going down a tinkering rabbit hole because there’s so many papercuts that need fixing, many of which unfortunately can’t be fixed without making source changes and potentially even maintaining forks. Even after spending hours on my setup it still feels half-baked, which is irritating to say the least. Other DEs aren’t much better and sometimes even worse.
Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#7It can be complex and limiting. Alternatively I run ArchLinux + Sway and life is pretty simple.
Some people prefer "easy to use" which I interpret as probably not needing to read the docs to accomplish it's primary use-case.
Others prefer simple which I interpret as meaning once you have read the docs you will likely understand the software in it's entirety.
If it wasn't already obvious I'm in the latter category, simple rules IMO.
Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#8His points, paraphrased by me: * Gnome 2 had a lot of themes but since then, there aren't that many. * Compiz fun is gone. * Wayland limits the number of supported desktops. * The desktop is more complicated and it's harder to tinker. * He believes that customisability (should) set FOSS apart from proprietary software.
Many companies and now projects have come to a realization:
Customizability = Complexity = More Maintenance
FOSS groups can’t really afford to have a bajillion options they need to maintain and test compatibility between them. Also, maintenance (especially for free) isn’t fun.
Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#9His points, paraphrased by me: * Gnome 2 had a lot of themes but since then, there aren't that many. * Compiz fun is gone. * Wayland limits the number of supported desktops. * The desktop is more complicated and it's harder to tinker. * He believes that customisability (should) set FOSS apart from proprietary software.
It's the last point that rubs me.
FOSS should be whatever the developers decide it should be. It's not up to the users to decide what requirements a piece of software should fulfill.
Re: Linux Has Become Complicated and Limiting (Gnome, Wayland, etc.) [video]
#10It hasn't become more complicated, quite the reverse; since Gnome 3, the UI has become ever more simple and polished and accessible. And more opinionated, yes. You can still tinker with and change the desktop - it just takes more effort.
I consider that a plus. It's the difference between having a finished product versus being given some planks and tools and be expected to finish the product yourself.
I don't need a desktop I first configure and tweak for two days until I'm happy and can become productive. I want a desktop that allows me to be productive right from the start. And that requires some opinionated decisions by the developers.
I'm amazed at how polished and well thought-out Gnome 44 is.
More and more of these little annoying edges have been smoothed away in the last few years since Gnome 3 entered. And I'm happy about all of it.