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Page builders might not be a good idea

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Re: Page builders might not be a good idea

#3
> I don’t want to offend anyone here, but building pages is more than just writing content and placing it somewhere on the page. You should leave this job to a professional, especially if you want to maintain the site on a longer run.

But this use case of simply getting some content accessible on the web is the primary reason why page builders are so popular :)

For example, a large number small of businesses just want simple page displaying their working hours and some pictures of inventory. If you go to a "professional development agency" and ask them to build you a site with just these features, you will get a quote for 200 thousand dollars upwards (speaking from experience). With page builders, you can get your nephew to build you a site during school off-season and it will be infinetly better than having no site at all and still probably do the job well enough as a professionally built one.

I get that the original post is basically a sales pitch, but there is huge value to be had from page builders and it's dishonest not to mention it.

Re: Page builders might not be a good idea

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post #3

> I don’t want to offend anyone here, but building pages is more than just writing content and placing it somewhere on the page. You should leave this job to a professional, especially if you want to maintain the site on a longer run. But this use case of simply getting some content accessible on the web is the primary reason why page builders are so popular :) For example, a large number small of businesses just wan…

Here medium to larger businesses are not the size as those in the US, but many of them here use page builders as well. There has been quite some backlash to the 'professionally coded web-presence'; long and frustrating processes and the end result is less maintainable than if they had used a page builder so it has to be redone every so many years because 'the tech is outdated' aka the team moved on.

Re: Page builders might not be a good idea

#5
It's simple, page builders allow users to do it themselves and it allows the page builder platform to have high margins - they are CHEAP to run and entirely predictable.

The few page/site builders that use dynamic data, such as Duda (in part) and Builder.io very much reflect the cost difference, from 10€ of standard page builders to 99€-449€/mo for builder.io.

I'd say that there are builders that solve every one of his points, but they are very costly.

Re: Page builders might not be a good idea

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post #3

> I don’t want to offend anyone here, but building pages is more than just writing content and placing it somewhere on the page. You should leave this job to a professional, especially if you want to maintain the site on a longer run. But this use case of simply getting some content accessible on the web is the primary reason why page builders are so popular :) For example, a large number small of businesses just wan…

> I get that the original post is basically a sales pitch, but there is huge value to be had from page builders and it's dishonest not to mention it.

What's dishonest is this passage:

> For example, a large number small of businesses just want simple page displaying their working hours and some pictures of inventory. If you go to a "professional development agency" and ask them to build you a site with just these features, you will get a quote for 200 thousand dollars upwards (speaking from experience).

edit: unless the agency preemptively fired problematic clients :), take the hint

Re: Page builders might not be a good idea

#8
post #3

> I don’t want to offend anyone here, but building pages is more than just writing content and placing it somewhere on the page. You should leave this job to a professional, especially if you want to maintain the site on a longer run. But this use case of simply getting some content accessible on the web is the primary reason why page builders are so popular :) For example, a large number small of businesses just wan…

Here medium to larger businesses are not the size as those in the US, but many of them here use page builders as well. There has been quite some backlash to the 'professionally coded web-presence'; long and frustrating processes and the end result is less maintainable than if they had used a page builder so it has to be redone every so many years because 'the tech is outdated' aka the team moved on.

I am in the position of "managing" for clients a fleet of ~200 websites built with a page builder. Every clients has the key to the kingdom and websites have diverged from their original look and feel. The brand recognition we sought for them is all out the window and steering back the whole fleet to a uniform design is impossible. The page builder allowed them to change everything and so they did. It's now up to a point where thousand of regular articles that should have been written with the standard editor have been written with the page builder and just can't be exported/migrated to a new theme.

Of course, it's an extreme but still...

Re: Page builders might not be a good idea

#10
Page builders are only seen as bad ideas when you have better ideas to choose from. In most cases, hiring a professional is not a viable alternative to doing it yourself.

And since none of the problems presented here are new or unique to sites built with page builders, it follows that the others ideas don’t actually solves them.

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