Framework Laptop 16

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Post by wdavidw » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 8:40 AM UTC

Framework Laptop 16
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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 9:20 AM UTC

Related discussion from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by fbn79 » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 9:37 AM UTC

Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by reisse » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 9:50 AM UTC

fbn79 wrote: post #3

Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

I wonder, do they sell retail licence or re-sell OEM licence at retail price?

Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone really buys Windows at retail prices. Enterprise (subscription) and OEM costs are much lower, and for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by 5mv2 » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 9:51 AM UTC

hoppyhoppy2 wrote: post #2

Related discussion from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

This thread is a goldmine! 390 comments, and many from current users. Thank you for sharing.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by cupofjoakim » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 9:52 AM UTC

GPU modularity makes the framework even more interesting for small form factor pc projects. I might pick it up for my re-imagining of the ibm ps/2 laptop.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by dijit » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 9:53 AM UTC

reisse wrote: post #4

fbn79 wrote: post #3

Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

I wonder, do they sell retail licence or re-sell OEM licence at retail price? Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone really buys Windows at retail prices. Enterprise (subscription) and OEM costs are much lower, and for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks.

License costs are weird.

The opaqueness of Windows licensing for "pro" devices makes us assume that there are heavy discounts, which massively depends on the manufacturer- framework could not be at a size that gives them preferential pricing (even if we assume that licensing is cheaper for other companies).

I can say that it is more ordinary for end users to get discounts rather than OEMs, unless there is a lot of negotiation (including bundling crapware, as we well know) in the tech industry when it comes to bulk licensing.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by komadori » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 9:56 AM UTC

I hope it's possible to fit a pointing stick (TrackPoint) keyboard within that 3.7mm, and that someone first- or third-party makes one. I'm keen to try replacing my ThinkPad with a Framework as soon as that's available, but not before.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by vbezhenar » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 10:05 AM UTC

reisse wrote: post #4

fbn79 wrote: post #3

Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

I wonder, do they sell retail licence or re-sell OEM licence at retail price? Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone really buys Windows at retail prices. Enterprise (subscription) and OEM costs are much lower, and for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks.

> for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks.

Is it legal? If it's not, isn't it easier to just use crack? E.g. pirate KMS server.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by RGamma » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 10:07 AM UTC

fbn79 wrote: post #3

Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

I bought mine for like 4 bucks. Digital license linked to my account :>