Twitter bans a popular French activist and the spokeswoman of the Pirate Party

cbeach wrote: post #4

I don’t know which tweets the account was banned for, but the username “MarxFanAccount” is a red flag IMO If there was a “NaziFanAccount” I’d expect it to be banned. And Nazi ideology killed far fewer people than Marxist ideology in the 20th century.

I was curious and tried to search Twitter usernames for those strings but search has not worked for over a week for me.

Is this the case for everyone else?

Re: Twitter bans a popular French activist and the spokeswoman of the Pirate Party

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Post by wkat4242 » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 11:07 AM UTC

cbeach wrote: post #4

I don’t know which tweets the account was banned for, but the username “MarxFanAccount” is a red flag IMO If there was a “NaziFanAccount” I’d expect it to be banned. And Nazi ideology killed far fewer people than Marxist ideology in the 20th century.

Those people were not killed by Karl Marx' ideology. It was perverted by dictatorships using it as a banner but it didn't inspire their atrocities. Just like the German Democratic Republic wasn't really democratic at all.

Karl Marx' ideology never promoted hate unlike Nazi ideology.

Re: Twitter bans a popular French activist and the spokeswoman of the Pirate Party

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Post by Krisando » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 1:46 PM UTC

wkat4242 wrote: post #6

cbeach wrote: post #4

I don’t know which tweets the account was banned for, but the username “MarxFanAccount” is a red flag IMO If there was a “NaziFanAccount” I’d expect it to be banned. And Nazi ideology killed far fewer people than Marxist ideology in the 20th century.

Those people were not killed by Karl Marx' ideology. It was perverted by dictatorships using it as a banner but it didn't inspire their atrocities. Just like the German Democratic Republic wasn't really democratic at all. Karl Marx' ideology never promoted hate unlike Nazi ideology.

You should probably read Karls works and his successors works like:

- The Motorcycle Diaries

- The Jewish Question

- Das Kapital

These were written within ideological contexts and contain things that we would consider hate speech today. Very much perpetuating ideas like:

- lazy Mexcians

- Jewish world conspiracy

- Black people (he would call them the n-word) being closer to the "animal kingdom" than man.

And they did all of these in ideological constructs.

Re: Twitter bans a popular French activist and the spokeswoman of the Pirate Party

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Post by cbeach » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 2:59 PM UTC

wkat4242 wrote: post #6

cbeach wrote: post #4

I don’t know which tweets the account was banned for, but the username “MarxFanAccount” is a red flag IMO If there was a “NaziFanAccount” I’d expect it to be banned. And Nazi ideology killed far fewer people than Marxist ideology in the 20th century.

Those people were not killed by Karl Marx' ideology. It was perverted by dictatorships using it as a banner but it didn't inspire their atrocities. Just like the German Democratic Republic wasn't really democratic at all. Karl Marx' ideology never promoted hate unlike Nazi ideology.

Karl Marx’s ideology promoted the violent seizure of assets from the productive class in a revolution to install communism.

The ideology absolutely promoted dictatorship and totalitarianism. There’s no alternative system that can sustain communism, given how opposed it is to basic human nature.

Re: Twitter bans a popular French activist and the spokeswoman of the Pirate Party

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Post by lucozade » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 3:10 PM UTC

wkat4242 wrote: post #6

cbeach wrote: post #4

I don’t know which tweets the account was banned for, but the username “MarxFanAccount” is a red flag IMO If there was a “NaziFanAccount” I’d expect it to be banned. And Nazi ideology killed far fewer people than Marxist ideology in the 20th century.

Those people were not killed by Karl Marx' ideology. It was perverted by dictatorships using it as a banner but it didn't inspire their atrocities. Just like the German Democratic Republic wasn't really democratic at all. Karl Marx' ideology never promoted hate unlike Nazi ideology.

Marx explicitly advocated for revolutionary terror with the intent to eradicate whole classes of people. That's quite hate-y.

The fact that professed followers of Marx riffed somewhat on his themes doesn't make his ideology any fluffier.

Re: Twitter bans a popular French activist and the spokeswoman of the Pirate Party

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Post by CrackerNews » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 3:42 PM UTC

Krisando wrote: post #7

wkat4242 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those people were not killed by Karl Marx' ideology. It was perverted by dictatorships using it as a banner but it didn't inspire their atrocities. Just like the German Democratic Republic wasn't really democratic at all. Karl Marx' ideology never promoted hate unlike Nazi ideology.

You should probably read Karls works and his successors works like: - The Motorcycle Diaries - The Jewish Question - Das Kapital These were written within ideological contexts and contain things that we would consider hate speech today. Very much perpetuating ideas like: - lazy Mexcians - Jewish world conspiracy - Black people (he would call them the n-word) being closer to the "animal kingdom" than man. And they did…

The difference is that Marx was racist in addressing the racism of his time, but he proposed that communism would be the solution. This solution is different from the Final Solution in that communism would remove the elements he was racist against through economic pressure as opposed to ghettoization and genocide.

For the Jewish Question, he shared some antisemitic views towards Judaism with his peers. The difference is that he advocated for their incorporation into society as opposed to being second class citizens. He believed that the transition from capitalism into communism would reform Judaism away from what they were antisemitic about.