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Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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While going through my Outlook junk folder, I noticed that nearly all my Azure related mails are classified as such.

These e-mails are all real and also sent by addresses like azure@email.microsoft.com with the source SMTP server being in a subdomain of PROD.OUTLOOK.COM.

How comes that Microsoft would not just whitelist their own domains on their own e-mail service?

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#2
After failed Sears and Roebucks, I think Microsoft is the #2 company of all time for "the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing."

It's notorious that they have a hard time replicating products that competitors make look simple: look how the Steam store really works for for games, or how Dropbox works so much better than Onedrive.

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After failed Sears and Roebucks, I think Microsoft is the #2 company of all time for "the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing." It's notorious that they have a hard time replicating products that competitors make look simple: look how the Steam store really works for for games, or how Dropbox works so much better than Onedrive.

Yes, I can't wrap my head around the fact that VS Code and Teams came out of the same company. That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu".

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post #3

After failed Sears and Roebucks, I think Microsoft is the #2 company of all time for "the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing." It's notorious that they have a hard time replicating products that competitors make look simple: look how the Steam store really works for for games, or how Dropbox works so much better than Onedrive.

Yes, I can't wrap my head around the fact that VS Code and Teams came out of the same company. That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu".

Isn't that just because it's an unfathomably huge company with a very broad range of products

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After failed Sears and Roebucks, I think Microsoft is the #2 company of all time for "the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing." It's notorious that they have a hard time replicating products that competitors make look simple: look how the Steam store really works for for games, or how Dropbox works so much better than Onedrive.

Yes, I can't wrap my head around the fact that VS Code and Teams came out of the same company. That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu".

> That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu".

The secret is that they aren't the same people.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I can't wrap my head around the fact that VS Code and Teams came out of the same company. That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu".

Isn't that just because it's an unfathomably huge company with a very broad range of products

Sometimes I wonder if there is some kind of upside down "virtue signalling" going on.

Ads in the Start Menu might not make a lot of money but investors might be impressed that Microsoft is at least trying to make a few more cents here and there.

I wonder if Amazon treats employees so poorly not because this is good for business but because it helps Wall Street accept Amazon's loss-making habits (at least they aren't being generous with the help) and maybe convinces a few customers that Amazon is trying really hard to serve them well.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that just because it's an unfathomably huge company with a very broad range of products

Sometimes I wonder if there is some kind of upside down "virtue signalling" going on. Ads in the Start Menu might not make a lot of money but investors might be impressed that Microsoft is at least trying to make a few more cents here and there. I wonder if Amazon treats employees so poorly not because this is good for business but because it helps Wall Street accept Amazon's loss-making habits (at least they aren't…

So "vice signalling", maybe?
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