Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
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Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#2The best way to deal with this is non-compliance and there need to be technical solutions to deny such attempts.
One major factor that works against users is central authentication. Schemes like oauth2 might bring convenience and security in many cases, but will endanger net freedom overall.
Google just added age restriction on blogger. Result is that you need to provide Google with ID information to access some content. If more an more users elect to ID with their Google account you can see where it can lead. Naturally the EU wants to increase such schemes as well.
It just released a law (DSA) that allegedly to restrict the influence of tech giants. That their proposals will drive people into ID schemes of said tech companies is either an oversight or something worse. I would think it is the latter and giant tech companies are very glad about the behavior of the commission. Because they too tried get people to use their ID solutions.
Digital tech doesn't really prosper in the EU but certainly surveillance leveraging services of others.
The only defense against such laws is to make them technologically not feasible. While Google did many good things for net security, their compliance on topics that serve its self-interest is a danger. Same goes for other large tech companies.
That there is close collaboration between certain political elites and tech companies is pretty much a given. It was decried as a conspiracy theory until it was proven. Although it should be no surprise that there are such connections. Perhaps the influence of the EU commission is smaller, but I would not bet on it. Access to the market is on the hand they can play. Easily a strong enough hand to subject users to surveillance.
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#3This is really, really scary and what scares me even more is these proposals just seems to keep coming and in time some of them will probably make their way into law.
Used to be for EU but if any regulation like this goes through, I will immedietly vote for any politician willing to exit the EU.
Honestly, I am kind of for leaving the EU anyway since I don't like the large centralized power it has become. There is litterally few who understand how the EU works, there is practically no way of knowing how to change EU politicians minds etc. If I want to change public opinion in my home country, that is way easier than doing it for the majority of the EU countries.
It is barely a question of time until bad stuff happens in my view.
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#4This is really, really scary and what scares me even more is these proposals just seems to keep coming and in time some of them will probably make their way into law. Used to be for EU but if any regulation like this goes through, I will immedietly vote for any politician willing to exit the EU. Honestly, I am kind of for leaving the EU anyway since I don't like the large centralized power it has become. There is lit…
Brexit happened and I'm not sure the UK tech law landscape on these topics is a lot more reassuring. But who knows.
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#5Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
- Thomas Jefferson
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#6This is really, really scary and what scares me even more is these proposals just seems to keep coming and in time some of them will probably make their way into law. Used to be for EU but if any regulation like this goes through, I will immedietly vote for any politician willing to exit the EU. Honestly, I am kind of for leaving the EU anyway since I don't like the large centralized power it has become. There is lit…
Brexit happened and I'm not sure the UK tech law landscape on these topics is a lot more reassuring. But who knows.
Actually, seems like one of the reasons for Brexit was ability to do even more surveillance and other totalitarian practices without EU interfering. Not surprising given the fact that UK is one of the Five Eyes.
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#7This is really, really scary and what scares me even more is these proposals just seems to keep coming and in time some of them will probably make their way into law. Used to be for EU but if any regulation like this goes through, I will immedietly vote for any politician willing to exit the EU. Honestly, I am kind of for leaving the EU anyway since I don't like the large centralized power it has become. There is lit…
I will immedietly vote for any politician willing to exit the EU
Willing to exit EU might however be completely orthogonal to preferences regarding surveillance laws. I mean, such politician might just as well propose similar laws like Chat Control after the country leaves the EU. And looking at some of the specimens around here that would not even be unlikely.
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#8This is really, really scary and what scares me even more is these proposals just seems to keep coming and in time some of them will probably make their way into law. Used to be for EU but if any regulation like this goes through, I will immedietly vote for any politician willing to exit the EU. Honestly, I am kind of for leaving the EU anyway since I don't like the large centralized power it has become. There is lit…
EU commissioners propose laws, they don't vote for them. The EU parliament will probably reject this.
As a brit, let me tell you that leaving the EU will not solve this problem. Your local politicians will just do that anyway.
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#9Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. - Thomas Jefferson
Roughly translates to: I prefer liberty with danger to peace with servitude/slavery.
Re: Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU
#10We certainly need decentralized systems that cannot be controlled by EU, US, or any government/entity.
Privacy is a human right. We probably all know that they will show reasons like "fighting terrorism", "preventing national threats" or "hunting down child pornography" etc, whereas the real motivation is to control people's freedom of speech and communication even though they will 100% deny it.
Anyone who is really into something illegal will use something alternative anyway.
This will only hurt people actually fighting for their rights, and this needs to stop.