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Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

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Hi HN,

We’re Elizabeth, Catalin, and Tom - the founders of Ello (https://www.helloello.com). Ello is an AI-powered app that mimics the one-on-one interaction of a reading tutor by listening to, encouraging, and coaching kids grade K-3 as they read out loud from a real book.

We posted on HN back in 2020 when we launched Trustle, a company designed to pair families with dedicated experts in child development. We learned from that experience that parents don’t want a consultant, but they do want actual help with specific challenges—one of the biggest being reading.

Prior to COVID, 65% of 4th graders in the U.S. were reading behind level. The most recent National Assessment of Educational Progress report revealed that reading levels have dropped even further, to the lowest level since 1992. These disheartening statistics reinforce something we learned during our time at Trustle—of all the pain points parents face in raising children, reading can often be one of the most critical yet most difficult to address, especially if the child doesn’t like to read.

In an effort to help reverse this trend, we used advances in speech recognition - driven by self-supervised learning - to create a virtual experience designed to provide effective reading support. It's no substitute for attention and coaching from a caring adult, which is obviously what kids really need, but unfortunately that is not always available.

If every child had consistent access to 1:1 reading support and every parent or caregiver had the time, language skills, and confidence to help their children learn to read with no outside assistance, then there would not be a need for a technical solution. Unfortunately, we know not every child has this access, and many parents are looking for extra support. That's why we've built Ello.

If you look at a great teacher or parent working with a child, they are talking to each other. Ello uses a speech recognition model that listens to what a child is saying and provides the appropriate phonics based coaching, as well as commentary and help. As a child reads across the page of a physical book, the Ello app tracks the child’s progress and picks up when they miss a word or get a word wrong and then steps in just like a good reading coach would.

One criticism that we’ve heard since launching is that we are trying to replace the sacred role of a parent teaching their child to read. We say, “Not at all!”. Ello can serve as a resource for every type of parent without being a “replacement”, which is impossible in any case.

We’ve had most success with children who are reluctant readers. Ello provides a fun environment to practice reading without the pressure of an adult watching you. We’ve seen kids who flat out refuse to read start to enjoy reading in a short period of time.

We are highly privacy oriented; unlike most apps relying on speech tracking we can work completely on device with no internet and no audio data shared back with us.

We launched in early in 2022 and have come a long way since then. The model works like this: we mail customers five books and a prepaid return shipping label every month. At the end of the month you mail the books back or keep as many as you want for an additional $5 apiece, and then we mail you next month’s box. Our reading specialists help determine the appropriate reading level for every child and make sure that we are sending books to match. Right now we support roughly K through 3rd grade, although Ello can be effective for some Pre-K kids as well.

We know there are many parents on HN, including those with young children. We would love to hear about your experiences and needs around your children’s reading journeys and your perspective on how something like Ello might help. Or, if you’re in the US, give us a try (we are only in the US as we ship physical books right now, but are launching a digital only version in the first half of this year and then will be available more broadly) - you can get a free month with code ellohacker. And of course we welcome any feedback, questions, and ideas!

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Congratulations on launching! I love the combination of an app coupled with physical books. It really demonstrates your understanding of your customers.

* I would love to know more about your phonics instruction. From what I can see, Ello embeds the instruction into the "help the child sound out the words" component. Is that correct or is more systematic instruction provided?

* How do you help children overcome the seemingly maddening inconsistency of the English language? For example, the long a sound can correspond to the a, ai, eigh, aigh, ay, er (RP), et, ei, au, a_e, ea, and ey graphemes.

* Does your speech recognition system understand at the phoneme level?

BTW, I would love to connect. I am an independent educational researcher and early literacy edtech founder. My background is big tech (principal engineer at a FAANG company) and am now navigating the treacherous waters of building an audience, securing funding, bringing in experts, etc.

Best of luck!

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

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Congratulations on launching! I love the combination of an app coupled with physical books. It really demonstrates your understanding of your customers. * I would love to know more about your phonics instruction. From what I can see, Ello embeds the instruction into the "help the child sound out the words" component. Is that correct or is more systematic instruction provided? * How do you help children overcome the s…

Great questions! - When a child makes a mistake or needs help we take the child through a phonics decoding exercise (scaffolded 'sounding it out'.) Right now we support reading practice rather than provide full systematic instruction - i.e. we don't replace the rigorous, structured program a child should get in school. However, we are working right now on building out our own scope and sequence and detailed phonics instruction and hope to add that soon. - This one is beyond me and I don't want to pretend to be the expert here. That's Elizabeth and Lauren. Let's definitely connect and I'll get an answer from them. - Our speech recognition system does an OK job at the phoneme level. We are releasing an updated model that will go hand in hand with the scope and sequence that should be the best there is and be great at the phoneme level.

Would love to connect. My email is my first name at our company url!

Tom

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Looks very interesting. How well does this handle different accents? Say an Australian child moved to the US, would this work?

Right now it will likely work well. It is trained on a largely US based data set and so accents within that data set will do better, but the way the model works I wouldn't expect many challenges with Australian.

Interestingly, as we dive deeper into phonics and phonemes it will become more challenging as what may be correct for one accent, would be incorrect for another. We will need the ability to select - by child - what is 'allowed'. This applies to dialects as well.

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Am I the only one old enough to remember when a social network called Ello was going to like kill Facebook or something?

It still exists ello.co and I remember the same another FB/MySpace killer that didn't kill anything lol.

Re: Show HN: Ello (YC W20) – AI-reading tutor for kids that works with real books

#8
This looks pretty cool! A few questions (specifically for early years):

  - 5 books seems quite limited, especially for early years where shorter books are better. My kid currently reads 1 to 2 'readers' per day at home, outside of school. He not only gets bored reading the same book multiple times, but like most kids he ends up memorising a bunch of it so it's less 'reading' and more 'remembering'. How do you plan to give kids ~30+ books a month?
  - There's a lot of nuance in learning to read - my kid would take the easy way out if he could. The easy way out when we read together is to try with a word once, struggle, ask me what it says and move on. Depending on the context we do that sometimes, but most of the time we spend time dissecting it, comparing it to other words, understanding the context etc. He doesn't have the self control (do any kids? lmao) to do that by himself, or to be persistent enough. With support it's great - how do you plan on working through that problem, especially being able to dissect and compare previous experience?
  - I'm sure other parents can relate, but when it comes to learning to read, a lot of support is in keeping the child focused on the task. We generally like trying to read in a distraction free environment - after the novelty of Ello has worn off, have you seen any negative impact of having a screen with you constantly while you're learning to read?
  - Depending on what you research, there's a general sentiment around 'talking through the book and understanding it' is key to help children develop reading skills. It's less 'learning the sounds words make' and more 'reading for information'. Early readers attempt to do this with basic questions like "what color was the ball" or "where did the dog sleep", but i've never had much luck with those. We tend to have more success in talking about the book as we're reading. How do you plan to support that kind of learning ecosystem?
Again, this looks very cool! The above are just questions I'd ask myself before I'd buy one and 'outsource' some of our reading work, so just interested.
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