Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
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Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#2This isn't a win for open source. As much as I'd like it to be, settlements do nothing for open source aside from maybe give hope to others that the Defendant's felt the need to settle rather than try to argue the legality of their position in court. Winning in court has different meanings. Usually a settlement can be considered a win for the Plaintiff and Defendant together, and prevents more costly litigation for them but does nothing to help people in similar positions when it comes to case law.
Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#3Wow, what a bunch of fraudsters. Does chessbase have a lot of cachet in the chess community?
Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#4Wow, what a bunch of fraudsters. Does chessbase have a lot of cachet in the chess community?
Yes. Every single serious chess master uses Chessbase as it has the largest database available out there even though the price is pretty obscene. The customer base is more dedicated than most and it's probably the single most important tool a chess pro can get outside of an engine itself.
Edit: It may not be the single largest database, I suspect that honor goes to Chess.com or Lichess, but it is certainly the largest curated one.
Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#5> Critically, the agreement includes no financial compensation for the Stockfish team, not even legal fees.
Why not the legal fees, at least?
Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#6Wow, what a bunch of fraudsters. Does chessbase have a lot of cachet in the chess community?
Yes. Every single serious chess master uses Chessbase as it has the largest database available out there even though the price is pretty obscene. The customer base is more dedicated than most and it's probably the single most important tool a chess pro can get outside of an engine itself. Edit: It may not be the single largest database, I suspect that honor goes to Chess.com or Lichess, but it is certainly the larges…
It’s not even about the database per se… what’s not easily replicated are the annotated (commented/analyzed) games, high quality metadata.
This actual software, in terms of UI, is basically shit, and the technology is questionable (search really should be an order faster - my understanding is it has to do a full sequential read of the main DB (which is several GB)
Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#7This isn't a win for open source. As much as I'd like it to be, settlements do nothing for open source aside from maybe give hope to others that the Defendant's felt the need to settle rather than try to argue the legality of their position in court. Winning in court has different meanings. Usually a settlement can be considered a win for the Plaintiff and Defendant together, and prevents more costly litigation for t…
arguably winning a settlement like this is worse than doing nothing as it has minimal fangs and no direct benefit - but you’re out the hassle, time, fees, lawyer costs…
Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. Every single serious chess master uses Chessbase as it has the largest database available out there even though the price is pretty obscene. The customer base is more dedicated than most and it's probably the single most important tool a chess pro can get outside of an engine itself. Edit: It may not be the single largest database, I suspect that honor goes to Chess.com or Lichess, but it is certainly the larges…
It’s not even about the database per se… what’s not easily replicated are the annotated (commented/analyzed) games, high quality metadata. This actual software, in terms of UI, is basically shit, and the technology is questionable (search really should be an order faster - my understanding is it has to do a full sequential read of the main DB (which is several GB)
Oh, the software is absolutely awful, and you're spot on about the metadata (and the CBH format as a whole,) but I would also toss in another point where it's (sadly) the best: Opening prep. There just isn't much else that can compare despite the awful interface.
Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#9> Critically, the agreement includes no financial compensation for the Stockfish team, not even legal fees. Why not the legal fees, at least?
> The parties are involved in the litigation before the District Court Munich I, Case No. 42 0 9765/21
German court. Someone will probably correct me on this, but I seem to recall that in Germany legal fees are typically not covered.
Re: Win for Open-Source Legally: Settlement Reached in Stockfish vs. ChessBase
#10This isn't a win for open source. As much as I'd like it to be, settlements do nothing for open source aside from maybe give hope to others that the Defendant's felt the need to settle rather than try to argue the legality of their position in court. Winning in court has different meanings. Usually a settlement can be considered a win for the Plaintiff and Defendant together, and prevents more costly litigation for t…
Exactly. This is really nastly. The good guys "win", but the bad guys made money off the good guys and they are not even required to pay them the profits...
This is a win for crony capitalist practices in software, signalling: don't worry your profits are protected!
Disgusting.