Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by somthingwrong » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 3:49 AM UTC

Elon just announced the 'hardcore' on Twitter. I want to know what you think about it and what impact it will have on developers who worked in the US. Actually, as a China developer, it's pretty familiar to us, and Huawei had something similar to this a long time ago, and Alibaba also has 996 which is almost the same thing as it. In China a lot of companies have the same things and even worse, why do these companies do things like that? because Huawei and Alibaba these kinds of big companies do it so they learn from it, and unfortunately these big company actually have also been very successful in their industries, So I wonder if the US will become the next China if Twitter gets more efficient and successful after this 'hardcore' thing.

And the day before another day I post an ask on HN, and talk about 996 in China too, someone replays me that the reason people got 996 jobs in China is that they are low-level developers, and after twitter announce the 'hardcore', I don't know will this change his mind

Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

#2

Post by sidibe » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:15 AM UTC

I doubt it will spread in the USA because of this, because it will fail with his companies unlike Alibaba and Huawei.

I suspect it's worse for companies to do 996 and turn their employees one-dimensional, but Twitter will fail mainly because the CEO is mindlessly pulling levers, laying off staff, and throwing away its main revenue source, rather than just because he is making it hell to work there.

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#3

Post by justapassenger » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:19 AM UTC

996 is not unheard of in Silicon Valley, but in startups, where you have a remote promise of making big bucks.

Old, failing companies, with a crippling debt and leadership without any clue? Even if Twitter were to succeed, financials won’t work for people.

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Post by mhh__ » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:21 AM UTC

The best way to get soldiers to do push-ups is to do push-ups with them, even if he didn't talk about his new employees the way he did he seems too busy to get stuck in anyway.

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#5

Post by badbird3 » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:24 AM UTC

Will Twitter employees be earning hardcore TC? Or will they be expected to work hardcore hours with normal comp?

Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by badbird3 » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:25 AM UTC

badbird3 wrote: post #5

Will Twitter employees be earning hardcore TC? Or will they be expected to work hardcore hours with normal comp?

I know that 996 Chinese devs aren’t earning hardcore comp.

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Post by CloudRecondite » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:25 AM UTC

badbird3 wrote: post #5

Will Twitter employees be earning hardcore TC? Or will they be expected to work hardcore hours with normal comp?

We all know the answer to that

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Post by Silhouette » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:28 AM UTC

I'm not sure on what planet it's a successful strategy to buy a tech company as the richest man in the world, fire half the staff, then claim that the company is in trouble and the remaining staff need to work "hardcore" to help keep the ship afloat. I'm fairly sure he'll need more than Starlink and SpaceX to reach that planet though.

Even in the current market there are surely going to be more attractive options for most or all of the good technical staff at Twitter than taking Musk's new deal. After recent events I doubt there will be much loyalty keeping anyone there either. A mass exodus seems inevitable.

I wonder if Twitter will even exist as a business in anything like its current form a year from now. Maybe Musk has a bet with Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng to see if he can beat their record for causing billions in economic damage in the shortest time possible.

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Post by steve_adams_86 » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:29 AM UTC

badbird3 wrote: post #5

Will Twitter employees be earning hardcore TC? Or will they be expected to work hardcore hours with normal comp?

I’ve never seen anyone claim they are rewarded particularly well at Tesla or SpaceX, so I don’t have the impression that comp scales with hardcore-ness. It’s just a low pass filter on performance I guess?

Someone who works for him will hopefully provide objective insight.

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#10

Post by gregors » Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 4:31 AM UTC

All of this reminds me of the software Death March book

https://www.amazon.com/Death-March-2nd-Edward-Yourdon/dp/013...

Where is the financial payoff? Is there a real possibility of a life changing exit? You need to actually believe in leadership's vision. Is the effort worth it? Do they even have a workable plan or are they just doing random things?