Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
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Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#2Yeah, but the history of the two are wildly divergent.
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#3“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.”
I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks.
No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#4aren't the side effects of ECT quite severe though?
"loss of creativity, drive and energy. difficulty concentrating. loss of emotional responses. difficulty learning new information."
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#5> All five of the studies independently found that ECT was more effective than ketamine at relieving *severe* depression symptoms.
A keyword was left from the title / headline.
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#6This article completely neglects discussion of side effects. Ketamine has almost none, whereas ECT can cause horrible degradations to quality of life.
Any discussion of efficacy that doesn’t include side effects is quackery.
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#7“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.
Without more information on likeliness, permanence, and magnitude, both sets of symptoms sound potentially intolerable.
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#8I absolutely love this talk by Sherwin Nuland, it’s beautifully told and always worth remembering that someone who seems so put together on stage can have had quite extreme troubles… electroshock therapy is surprisingly very effective in extreme cases. https://www.ted.com/talks/sherwin_nuland_how_electroshock_th...
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#9Yeah but ketamine is a lot more fun so I'm gonna stick with that.
Re: Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine
#10“The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.” I’ll take milder effects over pain and memory loss, thanks. No mention of longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.
Yes, an acquaintance from college went through ECT. The guy was previously brilliant. Yes, his illness was part of his later problems, but he was wholly convinced that the ECT was a much larger problem. So much so that as soon as he got out of the institution, he commenced lawsuits against his parents who had set up his treatment (as far as I could tell for legit reasons; it wasn't one of those horror stories of abusing treatment to 'get' someone, just that it went so wrong).
I hadn't thought about that in years, but it was my first thought when I saw the headline, I was thinking that was just so obsolete. Indeed, longevity of effect, or specific studies and who paid for them.
Yikes.