Intel announces new FPGA families
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Intel announces new FPGA families
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Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#2Following Altera acquisition by Intel, and Xilinx acquisition by AMD, perspectives for many FPGA designers were gloom. There was a general feeling that the two biggies would go to a road where the FPGA is only and add-on or coprocessor for CPU workhorses, for applications like Data centers and ML acceleration.
Well, according to these news from Intel, that's not the case. Intle announces new mid-level FPGAs and even new FPGA to compete with Xilinx RFSoCs
Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#3If anyone is Intel in reading this, please can you provide a lead-time for the low end FPGA (e.g. Cyclone V and Max 10) to Mouser and Digikey?
I understand there is an ongoing major chip shortage but it has been over 2 years and historically these were available next day. I'm sure that I'm not the only one waiting for years with finished designs and no information.
I asked Digikey and they told me that Intel do not provide them with good communications, such that they cannot even populate this, never mind to provide a lead time per product. https://www.digikey.ch/en/resources/reports/lead-time-trends
Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#4If anyone is Intel in reading this, please can you provide a lead-time for the low end FPGA (e.g. Cyclone V and Max 10) to Mouser and Digikey? I understand there is an ongoing major chip shortage but it has been over 2 years and historically these were available next day. I'm sure that I'm not the only one waiting for years with finished designs and no information. I asked Digikey and they told me that Intel do not p…
I wonder if the war has anything to do with this actually. These chips and some larger STM32 like F7 and H7 are dual use and can be used in missiles and drones.
I couldn't buy the car manufacturers' excuse. I think MICs around the world have been stockpiling these chips.
Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#5Following Altera acquisition by Intel, and Xilinx acquisition by AMD, perspectives for many FPGA designers were gloom. There was a general feeling that the two biggies would go to a road where the FPGA is only and add-on or coprocessor for CPU workhorses, for applications like Data centers and ML acceleration. Well, according to these news from Intel, that's not the case. Intle announces new mid-level FPGAs and even…
My particular worry was that AMD would cancel Xilinx's CPLD chips, but so far it does not look like it. They are very very useful if you want to replace old 74xxx circuits and greatly simplify development.
Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#6Can someone estimate the power of these new FPGAs? Is a MisterFPGA with n64/PS2 emulation in range?
Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#7Can someone estimate the power of these new FPGAs? Is a MisterFPGA with n64/PS2 emulation in range?
I'll try to answer this, though my direct experience is only with Cyclone and Max 10.
The Mister uses the Cyclone V 5CSEBA6U23I7 built on TSMC 28nm. It has 110000 logic elements and also a hard ARM.
These are on Intel 7, so there a significant process improvement.
The smallest Agilex D has the same number of logic elements(1) and the largest has 6x as many (2). Note that Agilex tends to be much more expensive than Cyclone.
Realistic maximum clock rates on the Cyclone V are 50-200MHz, depending on the length of the combinational logic chains. For the Agilex I think that it is more like peak 600MHz. So I would guess say 25% faster and say peak 750MHz?
As to fitting all the logic for n64/PS2, I don't know!
1) Comparing these directly is not quite accurate.
2) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/progra...
Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#8If anyone is Intel in reading this, please can you provide a lead-time for the low end FPGA (e.g. Cyclone V and Max 10) to Mouser and Digikey? I understand there is an ongoing major chip shortage but it has been over 2 years and historically these were available next day. I'm sure that I'm not the only one waiting for years with finished designs and no information. I asked Digikey and they told me that Intel do not p…
I wonder if the war has anything to do with this actually. These chips and some larger STM32 like F7 and H7 are dual use and can be used in missiles and drones. I couldn't buy the car manufacturers' excuse. I think MICs around the world have been stockpiling these chips.
I was working for a customer (medical) last 12 months with a Zynq design. I remember at the time the distributor specifically saying they were being instructed to give priority to US companies on their stock as it arrived (I assume defense).
They had to have a meeting with higher uppers at the distributor to scramble about 200 pieces industrial grade from them (that was basically a year's worth of production for that product, low volume production).
So I have no doubt that whatever mil contractors need they will get it.
Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#9If anyone is Intel in reading this, please can you provide a lead-time for the low end FPGA (e.g. Cyclone V and Max 10) to Mouser and Digikey? I understand there is an ongoing major chip shortage but it has been over 2 years and historically these were available next day. I'm sure that I'm not the only one waiting for years with finished designs and no information. I asked Digikey and they told me that Intel do not p…
I wonder if the war has anything to do with this actually. These chips and some larger STM32 like F7 and H7 are dual use and can be used in missiles and drones. I couldn't buy the car manufacturers' excuse. I think MICs around the world have been stockpiling these chips.
I know the Cyclone V specifically is used in the MiSTer project (https://www.retrorgb.com/mister.html), I'm not sure how big a part of overall demand that is though.
Re: Intel announces new FPGA families
#10Can someone estimate the power of these new FPGAs? Is a MisterFPGA with n64/PS2 emulation in range?
I'll try to answer this, though my direct experience is only with Cyclone and Max 10. The Mister uses the Cyclone V 5CSEBA6U23I7 built on TSMC 28nm. It has 110000 logic elements and also a hard ARM. These are on Intel 7, so there a significant process improvement. The smallest Agilex D has the same number of logic elements(1) and the largest has 6x as many (2). Note that Agilex tends to be much more expensive than Cy…
did you really mean 25% faster or 4x faster?
If you really meant 25% you probably were not reffering to the clock speed/MHz, what were referring to?