How New Are Yann LeCun's “New” Ideas?
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How New Are Yann LeCun's “New” Ideas?
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#2I expected this to be a smear / petty argument article. In fact, it's a concise, highly specific, quote by quote critique.
I don't have enough context to take a side, but this is not just a rant.
Beyond their interpersonal disagreements, I do wonder if LeCunn is seeing diminishing marginal returns to deep learning at FB...
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#3How many days, cumulatively, has Gary Marcus held the SOTA record for any well known machine learning task?
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#4How many days, cumulatively, has Gary Marcus held the SOTA record for any well known machine learning task?
Any specific reason this is relevant to the arguments in his post?
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#5How many days, cumulatively, has Gary Marcus held the SOTA record for any well known machine learning task?
Any specific reason this is relevant to the arguments in his post?
What is he even arguing here? That he has been cheated out of some kind of credit? Credit for what? Afaict he has never actually shown something novel based on his ideas to work in a way that has mattered.
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#6Wow, Gary Marcus just Schmidhubered Yann LeCun.
The ironic thing of course is that Yann has not been at the forefront of AI for many many years (and Gary, of course, never has). Facebook's research has failed to rival Google Brain, DeepMind, OpenAI, and groups at top universities.
So to the extent that Yann is copying Gary's opinions, it's because they both converge at a point far behind the leaders in the field. Yann should be much more concerned than Gary about that.
Re: How New Are Yann LeCun's “New” Ideas?
#7Wow, Gary Marcus just Schmidhubered Yann LeCun. The ironic thing of course is that Yann has not been at the forefront of AI for many many years (and Gary, of course, never has). Facebook's research has failed to rival Google Brain, DeepMind, OpenAI, and groups at top universities. So to the extent that Yann is copying Gary's opinions, it's because they both converge at a point far behind the leaders in the field. Yan…
So to the extent that Yann is copying Gary's opinions, it's because they both converge at a point far behind the leaders in the field.
Behind? Why do you say so? If anything, they may both (now) be a bit ahead of the curve. AFAICT, while the idea of neuro-symbolic integration is pretty old (Ron Sun, among others, was talking about it ages ago), the idea is still far from widely pursued by the mainstream thread of AI research.
In either case, it's interesting to finally start to see more weight accumulating behind this particular arrow. But I've long been on record as advocating that neuro-symbolic integration is a critical area of research for AI, so I'm a bit biased.
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#8Marcus' moaning gets old, especially when his criticism is so self-referential; he's hardly the only voice against AI hype, though no doubt he's one of the loudest.
However he does seem to have legitimate complaints about the echo chamber the big names seem to be operating in.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any specific reason this is relevant to the arguments in his post?
What is he even arguing here? That he has been cheated out of some kind of credit? Credit for what? Afaict he has never actually shown something novel based on his ideas to work in a way that has mattered.
He is arguing that Yann LeCun is taking ideas from other researchers without citation or credit, and that this is a sign of insecurity and ego.
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#10Gary talking about himself.
Nothing really to see here.
This is literally someone on the internet arguing about pointless crap.