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My Lack of Attention

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Re: My Lack of Attention

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I feel like the author answered their own problem. They say:

“Someone else created a very similar app. This person modded the old app before, is for sure more active in the community and has far more knowledge in the game. He has a better legacy and he deserves it.”

Then the author says:

“I don't like people catching attention. I don't want attention to my person. I don't want some "Look at him!"-moments. I want "Look at this!"-moments.“

And yet the author did a ”Look at him!” to the competition. Others are probably doing the same thing and that’s why their work is getting attention. Maybe somewhere in this introspection lies the answer.

If you feel you have something others may find useful, just mention it. You’re doing yourself and others a disservice by not doing so. What’s the worst that can happen when mentioning your app has that feature people are requesting? You have to start somewhere.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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> But I don't want to steal attention, so I cannot write comments advertising my app. I am not that kind of person.

I get it. But this is the kind of advertising that's OK in my book. Exposing people who are clearly interested (rather than maybe interested based on, for example, previous shopping habits) to something they have not heard of. And of course you don't want to steal attention, but you can do it in a polite way, demonstrating respect to the other product. Maybe you have to be a little shameless in those situations if you want your products (not you) to get attention.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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It feels vaguely on topic for me to speak about something that happened to me regarding an open source project I made.

It was the one time that a project of mine generated a bit of buzz on HN. But I hadn’t posted it myself, someone else did. But they posted a link to a fork, which no changes of their own, claiming that someone else had posted it. The fork got 30 ish stars and follows, and nobody in the HN thread pointed out that they were starring a fork with no changes.

This really sucked, since I would have liked to develop an open source project that had users, but this was my project and now I had to negotiate with some other guy I didn’t know who had probably just taken the credit for my work. It didn’t work out.

Anyone else had this happen to them? What’s a constructive way to deal with that?

Re: My Lack of Attention

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It feels vaguely on topic for me to speak about something that happened to me regarding an open source project I made. It was the one time that a project of mine generated a bit of buzz on HN. But I hadn’t posted it myself, someone else did. But they posted a link to a fork, which no changes of their own, claiming that someone else had posted it. The fork got 30 ish stars and follows, and nobody in the HN thread poin…

> What’s a constructive way to deal with that?

"Hey, I am the original author of this. AMA."

Re: My Lack of Attention

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So here's the thing. It takes work and effort to get attention.

"if you build it, they will come". Never has one cliche been so exactly wrong.

Programmers, myself included, believe(d) that the code is the product. That the code will speak for itself. That being "better" (for some definition of better) is enough. If I build it, they will come.

The truth though, the code is about 10% of the effort to make a successful product. It is much more work, and frankly harder work, to to the marketing to get the product in front of the customer. It is then much more work to turn that into a sale (if your work is commercial.)

For decades I've heard programmers lament that they do all the hard work, they deserve the lion's share, all those guys do is sell it.

So here's the thing. Your code does not just "get attention". You earn that by investing time, and money but mostly time, in getting that attention.

That means going to where your target market is. Showing them you can add value to the group (I spent a lot of time answering unrelated questions.) showing how your offering can add value to the group. You do not "get" attention, you have to _earn_ it.

So, if you want your product to get more attention, then by extension you need to personally get more attention. You need to find your target group, be useful, be helpful, engage with them, built trust.

So you've made a tool for people without a smart-phone. OK, not a market I would have chosen[1], but that's not relevant. The thing you need to figure out is how to reach those people. Since they are not online, you will need to reach them offline. You need to go to where they are, not expect them to find you.

[1] choosing a market first, one you have a strategy to reach, then making a product is usually better than the other way around. Not least because joining a community, and adding value there for s while, before making a product, builds trust. It also helps you build a product they will find useful, not just something you randomly thought of.

This is life; through failure we learn more, through persistence we achieve.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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post #6

It feels vaguely on topic for me to speak about something that happened to me regarding an open source project I made. It was the one time that a project of mine generated a bit of buzz on HN. But I hadn’t posted it myself, someone else did. But they posted a link to a fork, which no changes of their own, claiming that someone else had posted it. The fork got 30 ish stars and follows, and nobody in the HN thread poin…

> What’s a constructive way to deal with that? "Hey, I am the original author of this. AMA."

Yeah, this. You could be the one to point out the fork in the thread. Don't wait for someone else to do it.

"this is a fork of xxx, I'm looking forward to seeing the community grow in this way. I'm the author of xxx, feel free to AMA, or reach out. Any participation in the project is welcome and encouraged."

Re: My Lack of Attention

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It feels vaguely on topic for me to speak about something that happened to me regarding an open source project I made. It was the one time that a project of mine generated a bit of buzz on HN. But I hadn’t posted it myself, someone else did. But they posted a link to a fork, which no changes of their own, claiming that someone else had posted it. The fork got 30 ish stars and follows, and nobody in the HN thread poin…

If you care for that, then why aren't you filling out your HN profile?

Re: My Lack of Attention

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It feels vaguely on topic for me to speak about something that happened to me regarding an open source project I made. It was the one time that a project of mine generated a bit of buzz on HN. But I hadn’t posted it myself, someone else did. But they posted a link to a fork, which no changes of their own, claiming that someone else had posted it. The fork got 30 ish stars and follows, and nobody in the HN thread poin…

If you care for that, then why aren't you filling out your HN profile?

I’m not the type to self promote much, plus, a lot of bad experiences in the industry (due to maverick type behavior), so filling out profiles seems like a waste of time.

But, I’ll have to come out of hiding soon enough, have spent the last year+ developing a pretty unusual project. Actually I’m sure I should have been blogging about it already. But it’s hard for me to have positive expectations, and I know that alot of what I have to say is going to be divisive.

Now that I saw the first replies to my comment, I realize that I wasn’t really seeing the big picture in that moment, someone can’t really steal your open source project, the thing to do would have been to mention it in the thread and then just keep on developing it as I had been. Anyone who wanted to use it would eventually realize that the fork wasn’t where the action was at.

Truth is there is some kind of trauma at play, and actually there is for a lot of people, but trauma is still a bad word, we don’t really talk about it on HN, actually a lot of conversation in tech has been sterilized, the mindshare is highly sought after.

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