Even parental leave in Europe could be better
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Re: Even parental leave in Europe could be better
#2Why change the title?
"You're not people-first until your parental leave policy is"
Re: Even parental leave in Europe could be better
#3The pay during parental leave in Europe is also low. In France it is capped at about 3,500 euros per month. A software engineer or someone like that might not be able to afford to take a significant parental leave even if the law allows them to take one.
Parental leave should really be set up as a simple insurance system. Require employers to get insurance on workers that would cover X months of leave at full salary. In the long run it’s just not very much money compared to a person’s total salary over a 40 year working life.
Re: Even parental leave in Europe could be better
#4Why change the title? "You're not people-first until your parental leave policy is"
Also, it could have just said "France" instead of "Europe".
Re: Even parental leave in Europe could be better
#5Why change the title? "You're not people-first until your parental leave policy is"
Also, it could have just said "France" instead of "Europe".
I live in France, and as of July 2021, the law allows for 25 days of paternity leave.
Wow, I had no idea; that's awful. In Germany parents share 14 months at two thirds of their average salary (capped at 1800 EUR each, though). Moms get another 6 weeks before their due date. You're also entitled to more time, unpaid.
Re: Even parental leave in Europe could be better
#6The pay during parental leave in Europe is also low. In France it is capped at about 3,500 euros per month. A software engineer or someone like that might not be able to afford to take a significant parental leave even if the law allows them to take one. Parental leave should really be set up as a simple insurance system. Require employers to get insurance on workers that would cover X months of leave at full salary.…
In Portugal, the pay is 80% but tax free so in high salaries you end up with a massive profit (taxes can reach 50% easily)
Re: Even parental leave in Europe could be better
#7The pay during parental leave in Europe is also low. In France it is capped at about 3,500 euros per month. A software engineer or someone like that might not be able to afford to take a significant parental leave even if the law allows them to take one. Parental leave should really be set up as a simple insurance system. Require employers to get insurance on workers that would cover X months of leave at full salary.…
True, but in France almost all companies will also supplement so you can have a full salary.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, it could have just said "France" instead of "Europe".
I live in France, and as of July 2021, the law allows for 25 days of paternity leave. Wow, I had no idea; that's awful. In Germany parents share 14 months at two thirds of their average salary (capped at 1800 EUR each, though). Moms get another 6 weeks before their due date. You're also entitled to more time, unpaid.
> capped at 1800 EUR each
Is that a cap per week or per month?
Re: Even parental leave in Europe could be better
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I live in France, and as of July 2021, the law allows for 25 days of paternity leave. Wow, I had no idea; that's awful. In Germany parents share 14 months at two thirds of their average salary (capped at 1800 EUR each, though). Moms get another 6 weeks before their due date. You're also entitled to more time, unpaid.
> capped at 1800 EUR each Is that a cap per week or per month?
month. Generally salaries and such payments in Germany are per month.
Re: Even parental leave in Europe could be better
#10Have we been able to find any correlation between better parental leave and people being more likely to have kids/more kids? What is the goal of this improved parental leave?