Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by abossy » Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 6:55 PM UTC

Apple is Finally Evil
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Re: Apple is Finally Evil

#2

Post by TrevorJ » Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 7:48 PM UTC

This comes across as a bit rant-ish, but I can absolutely see his point. Apple has a fine line to walk in terms of continuing to present it's users with the level of quality applications they are used to however the lack of clarity from Apple about the approval process coupled with the NDA means that nobody can even learn from other developer's experiences.

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

#3

Post by tptacek » Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 8:21 PM UTC

When was Apple ever not "evil"?

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by sunkencity » Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 8:41 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #3

When was Apple ever not "evil"?

Yeah, Apple has always been as evil as Microsoft, but with better PR.

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by sunkencity » Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 8:48 PM UTC

I'm a bit sceptical about the googlephone being the good guy. I wish he hadn't started on that. It's very tempting to pit the google phone against the iphone, but to be fair the only good guy in town is openmoko. The problem with openmoko though is that the interface is utter crap, but it's the best bet for a "free" platform for developers.

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by litewulf » Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 9:17 PM UTC

sunkencity wrote: post #5

I'm a bit sceptical about the googlephone being the good guy. I wish he hadn't started on that. It's very tempting to pit the google phone against the iphone, but to be fair the only good guy in town is openmoko. The problem with openmoko though is that the interface is utter crap, but it's the best bet for a "free" platform for developers.

I'm curious how the openmoko is more open than the android platform?

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by geuis » Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 9:38 PM UTC

This is just IMHO: The whole "rant on Apple's app store policies" meme has run out of mileage. Its kinda getting like Rickrolls, except not as funny. I know several developers that have successfully gotten apps into the store. One of them is doing VERY well. His opinion when I asked him about this was basically, "Apple states it all pretty clearly in the documentation when you sign up. Some types of apps (podcaster for example) are obviously going to run up against functionality Apple already has implemented, if in a different form. You just don't develop for those areas." It seems like mostly the only people who have been yelling, complaining, bellyaching, and blogging about Apple's policies are the ones that can't read the frakking docs. The developers who are all doing quite well don't have a big problem with the restrictions.

Bottom line, the iPhone SDK wasn't developed by an organization like W3C. It was built by a company that wants to make a profit. They own the incredibly popular platform. If you want to play, you play by their rules.

Otherwise, you can write apps for Android. You can sell your apps to the 1/10 of a percent of people that will buy the clunky HTC Dream and similar devices that do or will run the Android platform. I'd love to see Android running on the iPhone. That would give the great hardware plus the open OS. I would stick with the iPhone OS, but the option should be out there.

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by blogsworth » Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 10:06 PM UTC

geuis wrote: post #7

This is just IMHO: The whole "rant on Apple's app store policies" meme has run out of mileage. Its kinda getting like Rickrolls, except not as funny. I know several developers that have successfully gotten apps into the store. One of them is doing VERY well. His opinion when I asked him about this was basically, "Apple states it all pretty clearly in the documentation when you sign up. Some types of apps (podcaster f…

'Well it works for ME' apologism detected.

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by netcan » Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:44 AM UTC

sunkencity wrote: post #4

tptacek wrote: post #3

When was Apple ever not "evil"?

Yeah, Apple has always been as evil as Microsoft, but with better PR.

Evil but cooler?

BTW, Apple's complaints about Microsoft have always been 'tasteless' not 'evil.'

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by 131072 » Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 1:09 AM UTC

I don't understand why Apple gets a free ride for manufacturing weapons components (via their acquisition of PA Semi) and having a CEO that owns a large chunk of Disney, which is barely more than a swear word among the same people who appreciate their products on a technical level.

The iPhone SDK issues are merely disappointing in comparison. You don't see two year old blog posts from the same group of people flaming Apple for not providing a wireless device of any kind for them to develop on, which is surely a bigger injustice by their logic. Where were these people when I wanted some apps for my RAZR?

I think the Venn diagram of people who are affected by Apple's iPhone development policies, and the group of people who complain about them on the internet has a very small intersection, and if you add the group of people who can actually code, you could probably buy the lot of them a round of drinks for twenty bucks.

Personally, as a veteran of the war of mendacity against common sense that is SOAP, I support anything that gets Dave Winer upset.