Zig is becoming more production-worthy
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Zig is becoming more production-worthy
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Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#2It's been really great watching zig progress. I'm on the fence on some of its design choices, but I think there's room in this world for zig as a truly modern c.
Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#3My benchmark for how serious a C replacement is, is when it successfully moves to not embedded and people actually use it.
So far Rust has the smallest of inroads to embedded.
I hope Zig makes it, but I’ve been down this road before.
Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#4I love how Zig is pushing the state of the art forward. I have some expertise in the area, and I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing.
> The core team will then be able to begin thinking about: ... Exploring hot-code-swapping
Hot code swapping, plus Zig's ability to cross-compile, plus release-safe's memory assistance without mental overhead, all seem to come from one underlying drive: support and empower the programmer without getting in their way.
When designing a language, it's important to keep the user's ultimate goal in mind: making useful software. For some domains that might mean adding restrictions, but for other domains it means getting out of the programmer's way and making language mechanisms and tooling so they can iterate, experiment, and build faster.
I'm particularly excited about Zig's future in webassembly, where many safety concerns are already handled by sandboxing. It's amazing to read that someone ported an entire game to webassembly with Zig.
Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#5I love how Zig is pushing the state of the art forward. I have some expertise in the area, and I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing. > The core team will then be able to begin thinking about: ... Exploring hot-code-swapping Hot code swapping, plus Zig's ability to cross-compile, plus release-safe's memory assistance without mental overhead, all seem to…
> I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing.
I kind of dont like Zig because of the syntax its just a little out of the norm from what I'm used to. I like D more if I want to go the C-like route, just hate that its not quite as popular as Go or Rust seem to be. Currently I'm diving into Nim more than anything though, it feels like the sweet spot for me.
Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#6I love how Zig is pushing the state of the art forward. I have some expertise in the area, and I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing. > The core team will then be able to begin thinking about: ... Exploring hot-code-swapping Hot code swapping, plus Zig's ability to cross-compile, plus release-safe's memory assistance without mental overhead, all seem to…
Looks like it has nice syntax but it seems very very far from pushing state of the art, and that is totally fine.
Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#7I love how Zig is pushing the state of the art forward. I have some expertise in the area, and I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing. > The core team will then be able to begin thinking about: ... Exploring hot-code-swapping Hot code swapping, plus Zig's ability to cross-compile, plus release-safe's memory assistance without mental overhead, all seem to…
Looks like it has nice syntax but it seems very very far from pushing state of the art, and that is totally fine.
It can seem like that on the surface, but a closer look reveals a lot of very interesting new features. Here's a few off the top of my head:
* Comptime, which can serve the purpose of generics without a new sub-language [1]
* Colorblind async-await, basically parameterizing async-ness to avoid the downsides of async's infectious nature [2]
* Hot-code swapping proof-of-concept [3] (Edit: specifically, new to low-level languages, AFAICT)
Pretty cool stuff!
[1] https://kristoff.it/blog/what-is-zig-comptime/
[2] https://kristoff.it/blog/zig-colorblind-async-await/
[3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Zig/comments/s9toy1/we_have_a_worki...
Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#8I love how Zig is pushing the state of the art forward. I have some expertise in the area, and I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing. > The core team will then be able to begin thinking about: ... Exploring hot-code-swapping Hot code swapping, plus Zig's ability to cross-compile, plus release-safe's memory assistance without mental overhead, all seem to…
> I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing. I kind of dont like Zig because of the syntax its just a little out of the norm from what I'm used to. I like D more if I want to go the C-like route, just hate that its not quite as popular as Go or Rust seem to be. Currently I'm diving into Nim more than anything though, it feels like the sweet spot for me.
One gets used to syntax, don’t let that be the reason you don’t like a language.
Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looks like it has nice syntax but it seems very very far from pushing state of the art, and that is totally fine.
It can seem like that on the surface, but a closer look reveals a lot of very interesting new features. Here's a few off the top of my head: * Comptime, which can serve the purpose of generics without a new sub-language [1] * Colorblind async-await, basically parameterizing async-ness to avoid the downsides of async's infectious nature [2] * Hot-code swapping proof-of-concept [3] (Edit: specifically, new to low-level…
RE 3:
Hot-code swapping seems to require a lot of tricky code. Are there compelling use cases that justify the implementation effort?
The examples seem to be mostly focused on swapping out functions but I dot see how it could handle structural changes to data structures.
Re: Zig is becoming more production-worthy
#10I love how Zig is pushing the state of the art forward. I have some expertise in the area, and I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing. > The core team will then be able to begin thinking about: ... Exploring hot-code-swapping Hot code swapping, plus Zig's ability to cross-compile, plus release-safe's memory assistance without mental overhead, all seem to…
> I think the future is in languages that prioritize simplicity and developer velocity like Zig is doing. I kind of dont like Zig because of the syntax its just a little out of the norm from what I'm used to. I like D more if I want to go the C-like route, just hate that its not quite as popular as Go or Rust seem to be. Currently I'm diving into Nim more than anything though, it feels like the sweet spot for me.
I wish I had known about D like a decade ago. I swear it was just too ahead of its time.