BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
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BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
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Re: BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
#2Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins.
I'd be leery of using this device, with all that complexity, as an input for video games. The latency makes me ugh. Certainly don't want that much "systems" stuff between me and the transmission of a car I'm piloting.
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#3Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins. I'd be leery of using this device, with all that complexity, as an input for video games. The latency makes me ugh. Certainly don't want that much "systems" stuff between me and the transmission of a car I'm piloting.
Does your car use electronic injection or a carburettor?
Re: BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
#4Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins. I'd be leery of using this device, with all that complexity, as an input for video games. The latency makes me ugh. Certainly don't want that much "systems" stuff between me and the transmission of a car I'm piloting.
I appreciate where you’re coming from but experiencing the joy of dual clutch automatics and their shifts in BMWs and Audis that I had the joy to diving might change your mind. The latency you mention is really not there. Admittedly I could not service it if it broke but aren’t cars consumables now?
Re: BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
#5Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins. I'd be leery of using this device, with all that complexity, as an input for video games. The latency makes me ugh. Certainly don't want that much "systems" stuff between me and the transmission of a car I'm piloting.
Does your car use electronic injection or a carburettor?
Injection, so yes; there's still more fly by wire than i like.
Re: BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
#6Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins. I'd be leery of using this device, with all that complexity, as an input for video games. The latency makes me ugh. Certainly don't want that much "systems" stuff between me and the transmission of a car I'm piloting.
> Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins.
If it's a manual transmission or an ancient automatic, sure, but manual transmission trucks basically haven't existed for a decade or so and every automatic since the mid 90s has an electronic gear selector of some variety.
Somehow the world keeps working just fine. The biggest problem that's come up with them has been when manufacturers decide to screw with the physical interface and make it more likely to inadvertently miss Park, like the Chrysler design that killed Anton Yelchin.
> I'd be leery of using this device, with all that complexity, as an input for video games.
It's less complicated than a force feedback joystick or even a lot of modern gamepads.
> The latency makes me ugh.
The latency is coming from the transmission, not the shifter.
> Certainly don't want that much "systems" stuff between me and the transmission of a car I'm piloting.
Again, it has been this way for literally decades. My 1993 Crown Vic with an AODE transmission had a shift lever based on the computer interpreting ranges of resistance from a potentiometer. The lever was literally a joystick with notches. And as the name suggests, that was a classic AOD transmission with the mechanical valvebody replaced with solenoids and an IBM PC grade processor.
Re: BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
#7Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins. I'd be leery of using this device, with all that complexity, as an input for video games. The latency makes me ugh. Certainly don't want that much "systems" stuff between me and the transmission of a car I'm piloting.
I appreciate where you’re coming from but experiencing the joy of dual clutch automatics and their shifts in BMWs and Audis that I had the joy to diving might change your mind. The latency you mention is really not there. Admittedly I could not service it if it broke but aren’t cars consumables now?
In what deluded world are items that cost tens of thousands of dollars consumables?!
> I appreciate where you’re coming from but experiencing the joy of dual clutch automatics and their shifts in BMWs and Audis that I had the joy to diving might change your mind.
Yeah, no thanks. A good manual transmission is a core part of the driving experience.
Re: BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
#8Neat how modern car systems turned into microservices.
Re: BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
#9Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins. I'd be leery of using this device, with all that complexity, as an input for video games. The latency makes me ugh. Certainly don't want that much "systems" stuff between me and the transmission of a car I'm piloting.
> Makes me want to go out and hug my truck, whose gear selector consists of metal sticks and pins. If it's a manual transmission or an ancient automatic, sure, but manual transmission trucks basically haven't existed for a decade or so and every automatic since the mid 90s has an electronic gear selector of some variety. Somehow the world keeps working just fine. The biggest problem that's come up with them has been…
Mine is the last manual v8 Dodge dakota sold, possibly the last made. 230k miles and still have a sliver of the original clutch.
Re: BMW F Series Gear Selector, Part Two: Breakthrough
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I appreciate where you’re coming from but experiencing the joy of dual clutch automatics and their shifts in BMWs and Audis that I had the joy to diving might change your mind. The latency you mention is really not there. Admittedly I could not service it if it broke but aren’t cars consumables now?
In what deluded world are items that cost tens of thousands of dollars consumables?! > I appreciate where you’re coming from but experiencing the joy of dual clutch automatics and their shifts in BMWs and Audis that I had the joy to diving might change your mind. Yeah, no thanks. A good manual transmission is a core part of the driving experience.
>> A good manual transmission is a core part of the driving experience.
Which cars have those today or in the time-frame of the F-series BMWs from TFA?
Every fiat/chrysler gearbox is sloppy gooey junk thing, even their performance models have horrific manual gear shifts.
I'll cut to the chase instead of listing Ford, Peugeot, etc. etc.
The Porsche Cayman 982 manual shift feels awesome to use, it's a delight but that only opens up a new can of worms, the gear ratios are farrr too long (emissions targets i suppose), utterly ruining the experience. The PDK is the better choice (and it even has shorter ratios to boot!).