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Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

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Re: Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

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Post by zelphirkalt »

yewenjie wrote: post #2

I'm happy that after years of nonchalant abuse of GPL by ChessBase, Stockfish authors have finally taken the matter to the courts. I wish the damages claimed were more.

Lets just hope they actually win (and judges actually understand the matter or people, who do advise), otherwise this is a disaster.

Re: Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

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Post by nceqs3 »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #3
yewenjie wrote: post #2

I'm happy that after years of nonchalant abuse of GPL by ChessBase, Stockfish authors have finally taken the matter to the courts. I wish the damages claimed were more.

Lets just hope they actually win (and judges actually understand the matter or people, who do advise), otherwise this is a disaster.

German courts don't have the best reputation when it comes to technical subject matter.

Re: Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

#5

Post by xxs »

nceqs3 wrote: post #4
zelphirkalt wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets just hope they actually win (and judges actually understand the matter or people, who do advise), otherwise this is a disaster.

German courts don't have the best reputation when it comes to technical subject matter.

>German courts

compared to what? in the case of the "round corners", the Germans ruled in favor of not-infringing, while the US ones awarded Apple $1B+...

Re: Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

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Post by ajnin »

It's going to be interesting because it's in Germany, which is in Europe. There's been a recent court case in France that ruled that copyright claims based on the GPL were invalid because it is a contract, and you can't claim both copyright and a contract on something, so it should be dealt with in civil contract court. (Or in other words, granting a license like the GPL invalidates all copyright claims you might have in the future!)

The article is quite light on details, I wonder on what exact grounds they filed their claim.

Re: Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

#7

Post by Vespasian »

ajnin wrote: post #6

It's going to be interesting because it's in Germany, which is in Europe. There's been a recent court case in France that ruled that copyright claims based on the GPL were invalid because it is a contract, and you can't claim both copyright and a contract on something, so it should be dealt with in civil contract court. (Or in other words, granting a license like the GPL invalidates all copyright claims you might hav…

This is a civil case if I am not mistaken. Earlier cases in Germany where decided in favour of the obligations of the GPL.

Re: Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

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Post by Vespasian »

nceqs3 wrote: post #4
zelphirkalt wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets just hope they actually win (and judges actually understand the matter or people, who do advise), otherwise this is a disaster.

German courts don't have the best reputation when it comes to technical subject matter.

There were already several cases (over the last couple of decades) in Germany where the GPL was part of the proceedings.

They understood the license just fine back then

Re: Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

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Post by GauntletWizard »

ajnin wrote: post #6

It's going to be interesting because it's in Germany, which is in Europe. There's been a recent court case in France that ruled that copyright claims based on the GPL were invalid because it is a contract, and you can't claim both copyright and a contract on something, so it should be dealt with in civil contract court. (Or in other words, granting a license like the GPL invalidates all copyright claims you might hav…

I can't even imagine what that means. How do stock photos work in France?

Re: Stockfish vs. ChessBase for GPLv3 violation: court hearing soon

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Post by imglorp »

xxs wrote: post #5
nceqs3 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

German courts don't have the best reputation when it comes to technical subject matter.

>German courts compared to what? in the case of the "round corners", the Germans ruled in favor of not-infringing, while the US ones awarded Apple $1B+...

American courts are an extremely low bar for comparison.
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