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Bitcoin's miners face vanishing incentives; 19M+ of its 21M max supply are mined

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Bitcoin's miners face vanishing incentives; 19M+ of its 21M max supply are mined

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[As it stands the post is flagged, 45 minutes in -- very likely by a fan or investor in the cryptocurrency who is unable to stomach a conversation about an obvious challenge facing the project. I will try to appeal the flag.]

Bitcoin aims to give people self sovereignty and financial freedom (who otherwise couldn't attain it). That's a noble goal, but the project has always had a fundamental problem:

Bitcoin only survives if enough miners continue to participate, who spend on electricity to keep the network's total hash rate high (enough to fend off a determined foe, including one focusing state-level resources in a short period of time to pull off a 51% attack). Miners do this in exchange for new bitcoin. Though miners' profitability has recently been challenged by the latest downturn, the market can adjust and is not in immediate jeopardy of collapse. But it will be.

The total supply of bitcoin is 21M. Less than 2M remain to be mined in the project's lifetime.

Eventually the # of bitcoins produced per year will be too low to maintain miner incentives. [Every four years moving forward, half as many bitcoins will be produced. The so-called "halvening" has generally been seen by investors as a positive thing, b/c it implies continued scarcity, but they miss the forest for the trees.]

Today, the amount of electricity used to safeguard the bitcoin network is roughly equivalent to what a small country like Argentina consumes. Historically, new bitcoins are created to reward miners who pay for that electricity, but that is increasingly less the case.

Transaction fees would need to increase to pick up the slack (of lower mining profits). Ever-higher transaction fees will kill the cryptocurrency's potential for mass appeal (which companies like Square(Block) have bet big on).

The only way that none of this is an issue is if bitcoin continues increasing in value inexorably. To be fair, I'd say that's Bitcoin's #1 use case so far has been: a speculative vehicle that consistently rises in value. That will inevitably come to an end, if for no other reason than there isn't enough money in the world to sustain its historic rate of climb. It's also dubious for something to be branded as digital gold if it requires more new money coming into the system to be viable, in that respect it's closer to a Ponzi scheme.

Another "out" is if all of the miners can agree to increase the project's total supply, something I imagine will be attempted. That will be a huge shit show though, as the brand of bitcoin revolves entirely around scarcity.

That's the project's basic flaw. I set aside bitcoin's less-existential problems: extreme energy demands, failure to act as an inflationary hedge, disproportionate use by ransomware gangs, potential vulnerability to quantum crypto-breaking computing, and existence in a space rife with scams (from USDT to UST and all the under-regulated web3 banks and securities-sellers in between, like Celsius).

[Old edit, now it can be seen on page 2. It likely tripped HN's "flame-war" alarm, which is really a thing: [Interesting, this hit the front page of HN and was shadowbanned(?). I'm not seeing it as flagged, but now it's nowhere in the top 90 posts. Can someone ping a mod, or @dang?]]

To address the Lightning network (which settles transactions off-chain quickly for less $) > "Transaction fees will have to grow in the coming decades, but if most users stay on the Lightning Network they won't be directly exposed to those fees." If users are shielded from the future transaction fees b/c of Lightning. Ok, well where does the money to safeguard the network come from if mining blocks produces less and less of it (and users don't pay fees b/c of Lightning)?

Re: Bitcoin's miners face vanishing incentives; 19M+ of its 21M max supply are mined

#2
I mean, Bitcoin was the first one. It is interesting in its approach (attempt?) to solving the so-called Byzantine generals problem[0], utilizing a proof-of-work consensus algorithm for security with an issuance mechanism tied to transaction validation. A little bit later, some legendary humans used it to facilitate contraband marketplace operations over the Web. Other crypto-asset systems emerged such as Ethereum, further pushing this currency mechanism model quite a bit further, enhancing the ease of creating tokens on top of the system, and fundamentally enabling programmatic execution of monetary transfers with smart contracts, bits of code that move the money around instead of exclusively having people move an asset around manually. Smart contracts are also interesting but have become widely used and abused, sometimes even exploited by knowledgeable EVM hackers that have automatic the detection and exploitation systems. The move to MEV exploitation and mitigation as a service by operators such as Flashbots has been an interesting evolution in these systems, indicating the dynamic evolution of this space.

I don't believe that Bitcoin will necessary become the de facto Internet money standard. I think it's great, and the price volatility is pretty fun to trade (ask me about bitcoin options trading circa 2017 sometime).

It will probably have value for an arbitrary amount of time depending on regulatory pressures among many other factors but given the rapid pace of innovation in the space, I think other systems can and will become equally or substantially more valuable. I think that the transaction fees are pretty reasonable with Bitcoin, but there are a few other competing systems that I think also show a tremendous amount of promise, such as Algorand or Polkadot. I think the complexity of parachains will eventually need to be reworked for Polkadot, but Algorand in particular has all the flexibility of Ethereum's smart contract mechanisms without the pains of gas fee volatility.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_fault

Re: Bitcoin's miners face vanishing incentives; 19M+ of its 21M max supply are mined

#3
everyone has known this the whole time and chosen to ignore it. Bitcoin is too technologically primitive to be used for anything other than a digital keepsake in a wallet.

It'll probably die out with the generation that discovered it.

Other, more innovative projects will flip it.

Re: Bitcoin's miners face vanishing incentives; 19M+ of its 21M max supply are mined

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The block reward has been mostly transaction fees before and will be more and more often with each halvening.

Difficulty adjustment means that Bitcoin’s value doesn’t need to rise for miner’s to continue to be rewarded.

Re: Bitcoin's miners face vanishing incentives; 19M+ of its 21M max supply are mined

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> ... That will inevitably come to an end, if for no other reason than there isn't enough money in the world to sustain its historic rate of climb. ...

The amount of "money" (fiat currency) in the world is potentially infinite. For a preview of what this looks like, have a look at what the Bank of Japan has been doing for the last few decades. In the last few years, Japan has undertaken a bold new experiment: yield curve control. The idea is to set all rates for all treasury durations, by buying every bid that comes in low. Every single one.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/bank-japan-vows-l...

Now, I'm not saying this validates the view of Bitcoin as a store of value. But I am saying that the world's governments can debase their currencies to infinity and beyond if that's what it takes.

This sets up a potentially very meaningful dynamic in the years ahead. Money gets instantiated by governments, distributed to the public, and then dumped into Bitcoin by organizations and individuals eager to avoid debasement and the loss of capital that involves. In that scenario, Bitcoin begins sucking up the world's liquidity. The more that gets produced, the faster Bitcon sucks it up.

Infinite source of fiat currency meets inflexible supply of bitcoin.

Now, I'm not saying this will happen either with any certainty. But it is a possibility. The last 2 years have hinted of what that possible future might look like.

Re: Bitcoin's miners face vanishing incentives; 19M+ of its 21M max supply are mined

#9

The block reward has been mostly transaction fees before and will be more and more often with each halvening. Difficulty adjustment means that Bitcoin’s value doesn’t need to rise for miner’s to continue to be rewarded.

Except without the block rewards the transaction fees will have to go up so miners make the same amount of income. This increase will certainly make BTC less desirable as international wires are still cheaper than btc currently.

Re: Bitcoin's miners face vanishing incentives; 19M+ of its 21M max supply are mined

#10

[resolved, and disappeared again]

Probably because this isn't a new take, we've all heard the same theory many times before. Right now transaction fees are in the pennies. If the price goes up, maybe they'll become tens of pennies or even dollars--I don't think that's a deal-breaker. You should also take into account the lightning network. Transaction fees will have to grow in the coming decades, but if most users stay on LN they won't be directly exposed to those fees.
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