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macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by cywick »

It's really disappointing how aggressively they have started to drop macOS support for slightly older Macs.

Big Sur, which was released in Nov 2020, still supported the MacBook Air (2013) and the MacBook Pro (Late 2013). When Ventura is released only two years later, not even the MacBook Pro (2016) is supported, which was sold until Jun 2017. The fact that Ventura even drops support for a Mac that they sold until Dec 2019 (i.e., the "trash can" Mac Pro), is just mind-boggling.

I understand that they want to transition away from Intel Macs as fast as possible, but deprecating these Macs so aggressively is really terrible, both from a sustainability perspective and a consumer perspective.

I still keep a Mac mini (2011) around for guests to use for things that are not particularly sensitive (since it stopped receiving security updates a few years ago). It's not the fasted machine by any stretch, but it is still perfectly fine for watching movies, browsing the web, and anything else that does not heavily tax the CPU.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by cywick »

jiveturkey wrote: post #5

Does pre-2017 also mean pre-T1? TFA mentions T2 is "safe", and it was my first thought that anything pre-T1 was being nuked. Too bad they don't mention that at all. 2017-2019 does feel like the T1 era, roughly.

T2 is indeed "safe", but there is not a consistent pattern with regard to T1 and pre-T1 Macs:

The MacBook Pro (2016, 4 Thunderbolt ports, with Touch Bar) does have a T1 chip and is dropped, but the MacBook Pro (2017, 2 Thunderbolt ports, no Touch Bar) does not have a T1 (or T-anything) chip and is still supported in Ventura.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

Bit disappointed to see my iMac 2015 dropped.

It's got an i7 running at 4ghz, I paid for the graphics card update to 395x and 32gb of ram.

It still runs everything absolutely flawlessly. I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon. So hopefully will run the OS with a hack, as I don't see what this OS needs better specs for, considering i'm sure lower spec machines can run it, so it's just Apple cutting it off for being Apple.

Else then I hope to still get quite a few years out of this and will just have to deal with not having the latest OS anymore and hope the apps I want/use will continue to run.

Else it's back to Windows 10 for me, via boot camp.

I paid over 2 and a half grand for this machine, I want a longer life out of it particularly is it runs everything so incredibly flawlessly still. It doesn't seem worth it to drop another large amount of cash on a new device, plus Apple don't even do the 27" anymore and i'm not sure I want to lose windows compatibility.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro

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Post by johndoe0815 »

devit wrote: post #8

Use desktop Linux, the only operating system that respects you and the usefulness of the hardware you own by supporting all hardware forever.

Not quite... Linux has also deprecated and removed support for processor architectures and devices (though pretty obscure architectures and peripherals such as ISDN controllers) - see https://lwn.net/Articles/769468/
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